On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:15:32 -0700 (PDT), peterwn
wrote:

On Jul 24, 8:21 pm, Mike Harrison wrote:


But ... If you do not pay, and you subsequently park in a lot
controlled by the same company, perhaps they may clamp or tow you
rather than give you another 'ticket'. And this may even be if you
comply with the rules with respect to the subsequent parking.

That would be illegal.

Which aspect?

In any case what is the most practical thing to do if your vehicle is
clamped or towed - go and see a lawyer or just cough up.

If it's *illegally* clamped or towed, go see an angle grinder!

Mike
--
http://www.corestore.org
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I am the history within'

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:19:30 -0700 (PDT), peterwn
wrote:

On Jul 24, 12:25 pm, Alex Heney wrote:


Just ignore the ticket. It has no legal force.

If they try to sue for the money (which they won't), then they would
fail.

But ... If you do not pay, and you subsequently park in a lot
controlled by the same company, perhaps they may clamp or tow you
rather than give you another 'ticket'. And this may even be if you
comply with the rules with respect to the subsequent parking.

If they were stupid enough to try that (and I have never heard of any
such thing occurring), they would most certainly be meeting me in
court.

And would probably lose their licence as a result.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Do steam rollers really roll steam?
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:15:32 -0700 (PDT), peterwn
wrote:

On Jul 24, 8:21 pm, Mike Harrison wrote:


But ... If you do not pay, and you subsequently park in a lot
controlled by the same company, perhaps they may clamp or tow you
rather than give you another 'ticket'. And this may even be if you
comply with the rules with respect to the subsequent parking.

That would be illegal.

Which aspect?


The aspect of clamping you for any reason other than that displayed on
the prominent notices there must be.


In any case what is the most practical thing to do if your vehicle is
clamped or towed - go and see a lawyer or just cough up.


BOTH.

If it is important to you to get your car back now, and you don't have
access to an angle grinder, then cough up, then sue their sorry assess
off for the illegally extracted monies.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
To be, or not to be, those are the parameters.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom

"peterwn" wrote in message
...
On Jul 24, 8:21 pm, Mike Harrison wrote:


But ... If you do not pay, and you subsequently park in a lot
controlled by the same company, perhaps they may clamp or tow you
rather than give you another 'ticket'. And this may even be if you
comply with the rules with respect to the subsequent parking.

That would be illegal.

Which aspect?

Clamping to recover an earlier fee which they have no legal right to
collect.

They can only clamp you if you are in an area with appropriate warning signs
and are actually contravening the rules for the area covered by those signs.

Of course, the fact that you owe them money from a previous infringement may
make them inclined to clamp quicker in the latter scenario.

tim

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:31:00 +0100, Alex Heney wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:19:30 -0700 (PDT), peterwn
wrote:

On Jul 24, 12:25 pm, Alex Heney wrote:


Just ignore the ticket. It has no legal force.

If they try to sue for the money (which they won't), then they would
fail.

But ... If you do not pay, and you subsequently park in a lot
controlled by the same company, perhaps they may clamp or tow you
rather than give you another 'ticket'. And this may even be if you
comply with the rules with respect to the subsequent parking.

If they were stupid enough to try that (and I have never heard of any
such thing occurring), they would most certainly be meeting me in
court.


Matthew Brough (Nupark) tried it a while ago... clamped people in their own driveways.

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?...c=26102&st=200
Post#219 onwards.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:35:27 +0100, Alex Heney wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:15:32 -0700 (PDT), peterwn
wrote:

On Jul 24, 8:21 pm, Mike Harrison wrote:


But ... If you do not pay, and you subsequently park in a lot
controlled by the same company, perhaps they may clamp or tow you
rather than give you another 'ticket'. And this may even be if you
comply with the rules with respect to the subsequent parking.

That would be illegal.

Which aspect?


The aspect of clamping you for any reason other than that displayed on
the prominent notices there must be.


In any case what is the most practical thing to do if your vehicle is
clamped or towed - go and see a lawyer or just cough up.

If you can find them - they often hide behind PO boxes with Royal Mail won't disclose.
Best to go after the landowner. Harder for them to disappear.

BOTH.

If it is important to you to get your car back now, and you don't have
access to an angle grinder, then cough up, then sue their sorry assess
off for the illegally extracted monies.

Or pay by card and do a chargeback.

"Mike Harrison" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:35:27 +0100, Alex Heney wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:15:32 -0700 (PDT), peterwn
wrote:

On Jul 24, 8:21 pm, Mike Harrison wrote:


But ... If you do not pay, and you subsequently park in a lot
controlled by the same company, perhaps they may clamp or tow you
rather than give you another 'ticket'. And this may even be if you
comply with the rules with respect to the subsequent parking.

That would be illegal.

Which aspect?


The aspect of clamping you for any reason other than that displayed on
the prominent notices there must be.


In any case what is the most practical thing to do if your vehicle is
clamped or towed - go and see a lawyer or just cough up.

If you can find them - they often hide behind PO boxes with Royal Mail
won't disclose.

And why would RM not disclose?

They are legally obliged to do so and there's no way they are going to be
intimidated by a clamping numpty - they may seem nasty when they have their
clamp on your car (so I hear), but Ronnie and Reggie Cray they are not.

tim

On Jul 24, 9:35*pm, Alex Heney wrote:

If it is important to you to get your car back now, and you don't have
access to an angle grinder, then cough up, then sue their sorry assess
off for the illegally extracted monies.
--

Now, now Alex, you've been posting here long enough to know the
outcome of any such legal action.

You sue, they don't turn up to defend, you get Judgement in your
favour, they ignore the Judgement....

"Alex Heney" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:15:32 -0700 (PDT), peterwn
wrote:

On Jul 24, 8:21 pm, Mike Harrison wrote:


But ... If you do not pay, and you subsequently park in a lot
controlled by the same company, perhaps they may clamp or tow you
rather than give you another 'ticket'. And this may even be if you
comply with the rules with respect to the subsequent parking.

That would be illegal.

Which aspect?


The aspect of clamping you for any reason other than that displayed on
the prominent notices there must be.


In any case what is the most practical thing to do if your vehicle is
clamped or towed - go and see a lawyer or just cough up.


BOTH.

If it is important to you to get your car back now, and you don't have
access to an angle grinder, then cough up, then sue their sorry assess
off for the illegally extracted monies.
--
Nice theory, but flawed in practice. PPC will *always* 'phoenix' themselves
when faced with a judgement. All thats going to do is add to your losses

"Mike Harrison" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:35:27 +0100, Alex Heney wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:15:32 -0700 (PDT), peterwn
wrote:

On Jul 24, 8:21 pm, Mike Harrison wrote:


But ... If you do not pay, and you subsequently park in a lot
controlled by the same company, perhaps they may clamp or tow you
rather than give you another 'ticket'. And this may even be if you
comply with the rules with respect to the subsequent parking.

That would be illegal.

Which aspect?


The aspect of clamping you for any reason other than that displayed on
the prominent notices there must be.


In any case what is the most practical thing to do if your vehicle is
clamped or towed - go and see a lawyer or just cough up.

If you can find them - they often hide behind PO boxes with Royal Mail
won't disclose.
Best to go after the landowner. Harder for them to disappear.

BOTH.

If it is important to you to get your car back now, and you don't have
access to an angle grinder, then cough up, then sue their sorry assess
off for the illegally extracted monies.

Or pay by card and do a chargeback.

Hmmmm.... ever wondered why many (most?) PPC's explicitly refuse payment by
card?