On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:03:23 +0100, "tim....." wrote:


"Mike Harrison" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:35:27 +0100, Alex Heney wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:15:32 -0700 (PDT), peterwn
wrote:

On Jul 24, 8:21 pm, Mike Harrison wrote:


But ... If you do not pay, and you subsequently park in a lot
controlled by the same company, perhaps they may clamp or tow you
rather than give you another 'ticket'. And this may even be if you
comply with the rules with respect to the subsequent parking.

That would be illegal.

Which aspect?


The aspect of clamping you for any reason other than that displayed on
the prominent notices there must be.


In any case what is the most practical thing to do if your vehicle is
clamped or towed - go and see a lawyer or just cough up.

If you can find them - they often hide behind PO boxes with Royal Mail
won't disclose.

And why would RM not disclose?

"Due to the sensitive nature of this address we are unable to provide infomation"
Exact quote from RM's PO Box dept. when I tried to get info on a clamper.

They are legally obliged to do so

What law obliges them?

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:30:48 +0100, Mike Harrison
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:35:27 +0100, Alex Heney wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:15:32 -0700 (PDT), peterwn
wrote:

On Jul 24, 8:21 pm, Mike Harrison wrote:


But ... If you do not pay, and you subsequently park in a lot
controlled by the same company, perhaps they may clamp or tow you
rather than give you another 'ticket'. And this may even be if you
comply with the rules with respect to the subsequent parking.

That would be illegal.

Which aspect?


The aspect of clamping you for any reason other than that displayed on
the prominent notices there must be.


In any case what is the most practical thing to do if your vehicle is
clamped or towed - go and see a lawyer or just cough up.

If you can find them - they often hide behind PO boxes with Royal Mail won't disclose.
Best to go after the landowner. Harder for them to disappear.


In that case, they are breaking the law.

Any documents they send you MUST by law include the registration
details of the company.

BOTH.

If it is important to you to get your car back now, and you don't have
access to an angle grinder, then cough up, then sue their sorry assess
off for the illegally extracted monies.

Or pay by card and do a chargeback.

You think these scammeres accept cards?
--
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:36:00 -0700 (PDT), "Mad Cliffy's Legs Don't
Work" wrote:

On Jul 24, 9:35*pm, Alex Heney wrote:

If it is important to you to get your car back now, and you don't have
access to an angle grinder, then cough up, then sue their sorry assess
off for the illegally extracted monies.
--

Now, now Alex, you've been posting here long enough to know the
outcome of any such legal action.

You sue, they don't turn up to defend, you get Judgement in your
favour, they ignore the Judgement....

Then you send in the bailiffs.

If they are legally permitted to clamp *at all* then they must be
registered and licensed, so they *will* have a business address to
which you can send the bailiffs, and they *will* have assets that can
be distrained.
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:15:04 +0100, "nully" wrote:


"Alex Heney" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:15:32 -0700 (PDT), peterwn
wrote:

On Jul 24, 8:21 pm, Mike Harrison wrote:


But ... If you do not pay, and you subsequently park in a lot
controlled by the same company, perhaps they may clamp or tow you
rather than give you another 'ticket'. And this may even be if you
comply with the rules with respect to the subsequent parking.

That would be illegal.

Which aspect?


The aspect of clamping you for any reason other than that displayed on
the prominent notices there must be.


In any case what is the most practical thing to do if your vehicle is
clamped or towed - go and see a lawyer or just cough up.


BOTH.

If it is important to you to get your car back now, and you don't have
access to an angle grinder, then cough up, then sue their sorry assess
off for the illegally extracted monies.
--
Nice theory, but flawed in practice. PPC will *always* 'phoenix' themselves
when faced with a judgement. All thats going to do is add to your losses


I doubt very much indeed if they would find that worthwhile, given the
licensing requirements, and given the size of most of these companies.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Rubber bands have snappy endings!
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On Jul 25, 9:42*pm, Alex Heney wrote:

Then you send in the bailiffs.

If they are legally permitted to clamp *at all* then they must be
registered and licensed, so they *will* have a business address to
which you can send the bailiffs, and they *will* have assets that can
be distrained.
--

Erm, I'll bet a pound to a penny their "registered address" is a
lockup garage with no assets and a makeshift letterbox where mail is
delivered; somebody pitches up once every couple of days to pick it
up.

There's a certain online mobile phone company that boasts "we operate
out of a purpose built 12,000 sq. ft computer controlled customer
service/call centre and warehousing complex, processing 1000s of
orders every month".

A quick look on Google maps at their Company Registered Address seems
to show a small farmhouse at the end of a dirt track........no assets
there for sure, I'd imagine!

"Mad Cliffy's Legs Don't Work" writes:

There's a certain online mobile phone company that boasts "we operate
out of a purpose built 12,000 sq. ft computer controlled customer
service/call centre and warehousing complex, processing 1000s of
orders every month".

A quick look on Google maps at their Company Registered Address seems
to show a small farmhouse at the end of a dirt track........no assets
there for sure, I'd imagine!

Do not forget that the registered address need not be (and often is not)
the same as the address from which the company operates.

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:40:56 +0100, Alex Heney wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:30:48 +0100, Mike Harrison
wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:35:27 +0100, Alex Heney wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:15:32 -0700 (PDT), peterwn
wrote:

On Jul 24, 8:21 pm, Mike Harrison wrote:


But ... If you do not pay, and you subsequently park in a lot
controlled by the same company, perhaps they may clamp or tow you
rather than give you another 'ticket'. And this may even be if you
comply with the rules with respect to the subsequent parking.

That would be illegal.

Which aspect?


The aspect of clamping you for any reason other than that displayed on
the prominent notices there must be.


In any case what is the most practical thing to do if your vehicle is
clamped or towed - go and see a lawyer or just cough up.

If you can find them - they often hide behind PO boxes with Royal Mail won't disclose.
Best to go after the landowner. Harder for them to disappear.


In that case, they are breaking the law.

Any documents they send you MUST by law include the registration
details of the company.

But how can you do anything about that in practice? Police won't be interested & doesn't help in
getting your money back.
Chances are any reg address details would be an accommodation address or their accountant.
Again, no help in getting money out of them.

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:42:56 +0100, Alex Heney wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:36:00 -0700 (PDT), "Mad Cliffy's Legs Don't
Work" wrote:

On Jul 24, 9:35*pm, Alex Heney wrote:

If it is important to you to get your car back now, and you don't have
access to an angle grinder, then cough up, then sue their sorry assess
off for the illegally extracted monies.
--

Now, now Alex, you've been posting here long enough to know the
outcome of any such legal action.

You sue, they don't turn up to defend, you get Judgement in your
favour, they ignore the Judgement....

Then you send in the bailiffs.

If they are legally permitted to clamp *at all* then they must be
registered and licensed, so they *will* have a business address to
which you can send the bailiffs, and they *will* have assets that can
be distrained.

But how do you get that address?

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:43:55 +0100, Alex Heney wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:15:04 +0100, "nully" wrote:


"Alex Heney" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:15:32 -0700 (PDT), peterwn
wrote:

On Jul 24, 8:21 pm, Mike Harrison wrote:


But ... If you do not pay, and you subsequently park in a lot
controlled by the same company, perhaps they may clamp or tow you
rather than give you another 'ticket'. And this may even be if you
comply with the rules with respect to the subsequent parking.

That would be illegal.

Which aspect?


The aspect of clamping you for any reason other than that displayed on
the prominent notices there must be.


In any case what is the most practical thing to do if your vehicle is
clamped or towed - go and see a lawyer or just cough up.


BOTH.

If it is important to you to get your car back now, and you don't have
access to an angle grinder, then cough up, then sue their sorry assess
off for the illegally extracted monies.
--
Nice theory, but flawed in practice. PPC will *always* 'phoenix' themselves
when faced with a judgement. All thats going to do is add to your losses


I doubt very much indeed if they would find that worthwhile, given the
licensing requirements, and given the size of most of these companies.

Isn't it the individuals that are licensed rather than companies?
So a licensed individual could phoenix their ltd company wiith no need to re-license.

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:30:11 -0700 (PDT), "Mad Cliffy's Legs Don't
Work" wrote:

On Jul 25, 9:42*pm, Alex Heney wrote:

Then you send in the bailiffs.

If they are legally permitted to clamp *at all* then they must be
registered and licensed, so they *will* have a business address to
which you can send the bailiffs, and they *will* have assets that can
be distrained.
--

Erm, I'll bet a pound to a penny their "registered address" is a
lockup garage with no assets and a makeshift letterbox where mail is
delivered; somebody pitches up once every couple of days to pick it
up.

There's a certain online mobile phone company that boasts "we operate
out of a purpose built 12,000 sq. ft computer controlled customer
service/call centre and warehousing complex, processing 1000s of
orders every month".

A quick look on Google maps at their Company Registered Address seems
to show a small farmhouse at the end of a dirt track........no assets
there for sure, I'd imagine!

Most of the google maps images are several years out of date. (I can
work out from various things visible/not visible that the one of my
house is from July or August 2001).

If their facility is "purpose built", it may well not have been there
when the image was taken.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
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