On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:33:10 +0100, "Michael C"
wrote:

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But they are just independent bodies who don't specialise in cycling. Do
any serious cycling clubs - who no doubt have a vested interest in the
safety of their members - have a policy that states that all members must
wear a helmet?




Norwood Cycling Club : All cyclists riding with the club must: Wear a
cycling helmet when riding with the club.

Crystal Palace Tri-athletes : Helmets must be worn for all Club
cycling activities.

Bynea Cycling Club: Learn to Ride and Race on Carmarthen Track, a safe
and traffic free cycling for children up to 16. Riders must use their
own Helmet and bike.

Don't push it Cycling Club Bude: condition of joining : Will ensure my
son/daughter wears a suitable cycle helmet for all club activities
they wish to participate in.


How many do you want?

In addition as far as I am aware : every club which organises races
insists that members wear helmets.

"judith" wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:33:10 +0100, "Michael C"
wrote:

snip

But they are just independent bodies who don't specialise in cycling. Do
any serious cycling clubs - who no doubt have a vested interest in the
safety of their members - have a policy that states that all members must
wear a helmet?


Norwood Cycling Club : All cyclists riding with the club must: Wear a
cycling helmet when riding with the club.

Crystal Palace Tri-athletes : Helmets must be worn for all Club
cycling activities.

Bynea Cycling Club: Learn to Ride and Race on Carmarthen Track, a safe
and traffic free cycling for children up to 16. Riders must use their
own Helmet and bike.

Don't push it Cycling Club Bude: condition of joining : Will ensure my
son/daughter wears a suitable cycle helmet for all club activities
they wish to participate in.


How many do you want?

In addition as far as I am aware : every club which organises races
insists that members wear helmets.

Those are just some that do insist on them though - some do not. Given that
all riders would no doubt have a vested interest in their own safety, if so
many of them read all the available evidence on cycle helmets and come to
the conclusion that they aren't necessary I don't see why you would want to
force them to wear them.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:47:23 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:25:52 +0100, judith
said in :

This will be an objective assessment of cycle helmets from the
organisation who have stated their message as / raison d'etre :
"Helmets are not beneficial to cyclists".

Really? I wonder why this "message / raison d'etre" is not
mentioned anywhere on the policy statement?

I believe that they have stated it in the past - I am happy to accept
that they do not state it now if you say that they don't.

I am sorry if I was wrong.

(This - by the way is termed an apology - I realise it may be a word
not in your vocabulary)



--
you can either promote cycling or promote helmets,the two are
incompatible. (Guy Chapman)

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:10:24 +0100, "Michael C"
wrote:

"judith" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:33:10 +0100, "Michael C"
wrote:

snip

But they are just independent bodies who don't specialise in cycling. Do
any serious cycling clubs - who no doubt have a vested interest in the
safety of their members - have a policy that states that all members must
wear a helmet?


Norwood Cycling Club : All cyclists riding with the club must: Wear a
cycling helmet when riding with the club.

Crystal Palace Tri-athletes : Helmets must be worn for all Club
cycling activities.

Bynea Cycling Club: Learn to Ride and Race on Carmarthen Track, a safe
and traffic free cycling for children up to 16. Riders must use their
own Helmet and bike.

Don't push it Cycling Club Bude: condition of joining : Will ensure my
son/daughter wears a suitable cycle helmet for all club activities
they wish to participate in.


How many do you want?

In addition as far as I am aware : every club which organises races
insists that members wear helmets.

Those are just some that do insist on them though - some do not. Given that
all riders would no doubt have a vested interest in their own safety, if so
many of them read all the available evidence on cycle helmets and come to
the conclusion that they aren't necessary I don't see why you would want to
force them to wear them.



You asked for examples - obviously doubting that there were any - I
have given you some. So some cycling clubs do insist on their members
wearing helmets.

Now one for you:
Why do you think that all entrants in almost all organised events or
races have to wear helmets?

"judith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:10:24 +0100, "Michael C"
wrote:

Those are just some that do insist on them though - some do not. Given
that
all riders would no doubt have a vested interest in their own safety, if
so
many of them read all the available evidence on cycle helmets and come to
the conclusion that they aren't necessary I don't see why you would want
to
force them to wear them.


You asked for examples - obviously doubting that there were any - I
have given you some. So some cycling clubs do insist on their members
wearing helmets.

Right, and some do not.

Now one for you:
Why do you think that all entrants in almost all organised events or
races have to wear helmets?

Presumably for insurance reasons, and also that most organised events will
differ in circumstances to normal road riding.

But none of this detracts from what I said earlier - given that all riders
would no doubt have a vested interest in their own safety, if so many of
them read all the available evidence on cycle helmets and come to the
conclusion that they aren't necessary I don't see why you would want to
force them to wear them.

Michael C wrote:
"judith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:10:24 +0100, "Michael C"
wrote:
Those are just some that do insist on them though - some do not. Given
that
all riders would no doubt have a vested interest in their own safety, if
so
many of them read all the available evidence on cycle helmets and come to
the conclusion that they aren't necessary I don't see why you would want
to
force them to wear them.

You asked for examples - obviously doubting that there were any - I
have given you some. So some cycling clubs do insist on their members
wearing helmets.

Right, and some do not.

Now one for you:
Why do you think that all entrants in almost all organised events or
races have to wear helmets?

Presumably for insurance reasons, and also that most organised events will
differ in circumstances to normal road riding.

In exactly the same way that the FISA insists on helmets for racing cars
but not for driving the the shops.

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:41:14 +0100, "Michael C"
wrote:

snip examples of clubs who insist on members wearing helmets

Why do you think that all entrants in almost all organised events or
races have to wear helmets?

Presumably for insurance reasons,

Ah - you mean that the insurance companies believe that wearing a
cycle helmet will overall reduce the risk of harm in an accident.

Yep - I think you are right.


But none of this detracts from what I said earlier - given that all riders
would no doubt have a vested interest in their own safety, if so many of
them read all the available evidence on cycle helmets and come to the
conclusion that they aren't necessary I don't see why you would want to
force them to wear them.


Did people read all "the evidence" before they decided to use mobile
phones or not wear seat belts before the legislation was introduced?

No it was common sense.


Do you really think that many people are going to read "the evidence"
- as you call it.

They are not.

They will rely on advice from bodies such as RoSPA, the DfT, and cycle
clubs - who advise that helmets should be worn at all times.

Compulsory helmet wearing is on its way - just accept it.

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:46:02 +0100, Marc
wrote:

Michael C wrote:
"judith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:10:24 +0100, "Michael C"
wrote:
Those are just some that do insist on them though - some do not. Given
that
all riders would no doubt have a vested interest in their own safety, if
so
many of them read all the available evidence on cycle helmets and come to
the conclusion that they aren't necessary I don't see why you would want
to
force them to wear them.

You asked for examples - obviously doubting that there were any - I
have given you some. So some cycling clubs do insist on their members
wearing helmets.

Right, and some do not.

Now one for you:
Why do you think that all entrants in almost all organised events or
races have to wear helmets?

Presumably for insurance reasons, and also that most organised events will
differ in circumstances to normal road riding.

In exactly the same way that the FISA insists on helmets for racing cars
but not for driving the the shops.


If you were driving an open top "racing car" on the highway then it
would be very sensible to wear a helmet.

judith wrote:

Now one for you:
Why do you think that all entrants in almost all organised events or
races have to wear helmets?
Presumably for insurance reasons, and also that most organised events will
differ in circumstances to normal road riding.
In exactly the same way that the FISA insists on helmets for racing cars
but not for driving the the shops.


If you were driving an open top "racing car" on the highway then it
would be very sensible to wear a helmet.

More "common sense"?

"judith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:41:14 +0100, "Michael C"
wrote:

But none of this detracts from what I said earlier - given that all riders
would no doubt have a vested interest in their own safety, if so many of
them read all the available evidence on cycle helmets and come to the
conclusion that they aren't necessary I don't see why you would want to
force them to wear them.


Did people read all "the evidence" before they decided to use mobile
phones or not wear seat belts before the legislation was introduced?

No it was common sense.

Ah, that wonderful catch-all phrase that means nothing. Tell me - what does
your 'common sense' say when you are told that wearing a cycle helmet seems
to make you more likely to have an accident and actually only protects you
from quite a small number of accidents?

Do you really think that many people are going to read "the evidence"
- as you call it.

They are not.

They will rely on advice from bodies such as RoSPA, the DfT, and cycle
clubs - who advise that helmets should be worn at all times.

Compulsory helmet wearing is on its way - just accept it.

See, you still haven't actually answered the question. The research done so
far doesn't support that wearing a cycle helmet actually makes you any
safer, no matter what those groups might suggest. So why do you want it to
be compulsory?