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Old August 27th 08, 07:34 PM posted to uk.legal
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Presumed guilty: The loving stepfather devoted to helping autistic
youngsters now fighting to clear his name


By Natasha Courtenay-Smith


Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th August 2008


Every second Thursday, John Pinnington follows the same, rather
bleak
routine.


After breakfast, he heads to his local JobCentre, where he collects
his dole money for the week ahead.


It is a paltry sum, a mere fraction of what he used to earn when he
was the respected deputy headmaster of an Oxfordshire college for
young adults with learning difficulties.


He and his wife Rosie no longer enjoy the comforts of the lifestyle
they once led.


Instead of playing the martyr and appealing for help from Daily Wail
readers, he should behave like a professional. Apply for jobs, submit
his
CV
and explain if necessary with a copy of the court judgment that he is
in
fact scrupulously honest and has never abused anyone.


But he has probably got himself a reputation now as a whinger and a
troublemaker.


Again, you have no idea.


WM


The rules have been introduced at the demand of the red tops, a few are
bound to suffer best he find another job where he dont need a check.


Did you read the full piece?


WM


Yes I did as did the Lord Justice


'He has not worked since and now considers himself unemployable.'

With every job he applies for - including more teaching jobs, a job as
a groundsman and voluntary positions - he tells employers about the
stain on his CRB.

'I think even if I was applying for a job stacking shelves, the
allegations would still mean I wouldn't get it,' says John.

'And I understand the logic: who wants to employ a man who has been
sacked, who has sordid allegations against him and a two-year gap on
his CV? Why take the risk?'

*****
WM
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Old August 27th 08, 08:11 PM posted to uk.legal
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On Aug 27, 7:28 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message

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On Aug 27, 5:43 pm, "The Todal" wrote:
Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
Presumed guilty: The loving stepfather devoted to helping
autistic
youngsters now fighting to clear his name


By Natasha Courtenay-Smith


Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th August 2008


Every second Thursday, John Pinnington follows the same, rather
bleak
routine.


After breakfast, he heads to his local JobCentre, where he
collects
his dole money for the week ahead.


It is a paltry sum, a mere fraction of what he used to earn when
he
was the respected deputy headmaster of an Oxfordshire college for
young adults with learning difficulties.


He and his wife Rosie no longer enjoy the comforts of the
lifestyle
they once led.


Instead of playing the martyr and appealing for help from Daily
Wail
readers, he should behave like a professional. Apply for jobs,
submit
his
CV
and explain if necessary with a copy of the court judgment that he
is
in
fact scrupulously honest and has never abused anyone.


But he has probably got himself a reputation now as a whinger and a
troublemaker.


Again, you have no idea.


WM


The rules have been introduced at the demand of the red tops, a few
are
bound to suffer best he find another job where he dont need a check.


Did you read the full piece?


WM


Yes I did as did the Lord Justice


'He has not worked since and now considers himself unemployable.'

With every job he applies for - including more teaching jobs, a job as
a groundsman and voluntary positions - he tells employers about the
stain on his CRB.

'I think even if I was applying for a job stacking shelves, the
allegations would still mean I wouldn't get it,' says John.

'And I understand the logic: who wants to employ a man who has been
sacked, who has sordid allegations against him and a two-year gap on
his CV? Why take the risk?'

*****
WM



Where would the stacking shelves job be then mothercare ?

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Old August 27th 08, 08:32 PM posted to uk.legal
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Once no. Twice ermmmmmmm. Three times?


  #14  
Old August 27th 08, 08:41 PM posted to uk.legal
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On Aug 27, 8:11 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
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On Aug 27, 7:28 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message


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On Aug 27, 6:04 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
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On Aug 27, 5:43 pm, "The Todal" wrote:
Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
Presumed guilty: The loving stepfather devoted to helping
autistic
youngsters now fighting to clear his name


By Natasha Courtenay-Smith


Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th August 2008


Every second Thursday, John Pinnington follows the same, rather
bleak
routine.


After breakfast, he heads to his local JobCentre, where he
collects
his dole money for the week ahead.


It is a paltry sum, a mere fraction of what he used to earn when
he
was the respected deputy headmaster of an Oxfordshire college for
young adults with learning difficulties.


He and his wife Rosie no longer enjoy the comforts of the
lifestyle
they once led.


Instead of playing the martyr and appealing for help from Daily
Wail
readers, he should behave like a professional. Apply for jobs,
submit
his
CV
and explain if necessary with a copy of the court judgment that he
is
in
fact scrupulously honest and has never abused anyone.


But he has probably got himself a reputation now as a whinger and a
troublemaker.


Again, you have no idea.


WM


The rules have been introduced at the demand of the red tops, a few
are
bound to suffer best he find another job where he dont need a check.


Did you read the full piece?


WM


Yes I did as did the Lord Justice


'He has not worked since and now considers himself unemployable.'


With every job he applies for - including more teaching jobs, a job as
a groundsman and voluntary positions - he tells employers about the
stain on his CRB.


'I think even if I was applying for a job stacking shelves, the
allegations would still mean I wouldn't get it,' says John.


'And I understand the logic: who wants to employ a man who has been
sacked, who has sordid allegations against him and a two-year gap on
his CV? Why take the risk?'


*****
W


Where would the stacking shelves job be then mothercare ?


It does not matter. It is about the 'public face' shown by employees
to customers.

You think a man of his calibre should stack shelves? A useful
application of training and skills?

WM
  #15  
Old August 27th 08, 08:41 PM posted to uk.legal
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On Aug 27, 8:11 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message

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On Aug 27, 7:28 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message


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On Aug 27, 6:04 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message


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On Aug 27, 5:43 pm, "The Todal" wrote:
Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
Presumed guilty: The loving stepfather devoted to helping
autistic
youngsters now fighting to clear his name


By Natasha Courtenay-Smith


Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th August 2008


Every second Thursday, John Pinnington follows the same, rather
bleak
routine.


After breakfast, he heads to his local JobCentre, where he
collects
his dole money for the week ahead.


It is a paltry sum, a mere fraction of what he used to earn when
he
was the respected deputy headmaster of an Oxfordshire college for
young adults with learning difficulties.


He and his wife Rosie no longer enjoy the comforts of the
lifestyle
they once led.


Instead of playing the martyr and appealing for help from Daily
Wail
readers, he should behave like a professional. Apply for jobs,
submit
his
CV
and explain if necessary with a copy of the court judgment that he
is
in
fact scrupulously honest and has never abused anyone.


But he has probably got himself a reputation now as a whinger and a
troublemaker.


Again, you have no idea.


WM


The rules have been introduced at the demand of the red tops, a few
are
bound to suffer best he find another job where he dont need a check.


Did you read the full piece?


WM


Yes I did as did the Lord Justice


'He has not worked since and now considers himself unemployable.'


With every job he applies for - including more teaching jobs, a job as
a groundsman and voluntary positions - he tells employers about the
stain on his CRB.


'I think even if I was applying for a job stacking shelves, the
allegations would still mean I wouldn't get it,' says John.


'And I understand the logic: who wants to employ a man who has been
sacked, who has sordid allegations against him and a two-year gap on
his CV? Why take the risk?'


*****
W


Where would the stacking shelves job be then mothercare ?


It does not matter. It is about the 'public face' shown by employees
to customers.

You think a man of his calibre should stack shelves? A useful
application of training and skills?

WM
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Old August 27th 08, 08:45 PM posted to uk.legal
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"still a novice" wrote in message
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The Todal wrote:
Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
Presumed guilty: The loving stepfather devoted to helping autistic
youngsters now fighting to clear his name

By Natasha Courtenay-Smith

Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th August 2008

Every second Thursday, John Pinnington follows the same, rather bleak
routine.

After breakfast, he heads to his local JobCentre, where he collects
his dole money for the week ahead.

It is a paltry sum, a mere fraction of what he used to earn when he
was the respected deputy headmaster of an Oxfordshire college for
young adults with learning difficulties.

He and his wife Rosie no longer enjoy the comforts of the lifestyle
they once led.


Instead of playing the martyr and appealing for help from Daily Wail
readers, he should behave like a professional. Apply for jobs, submit his
CV and explain if necessary with a copy of the court judgment that he is
in fact scrupulously honest and has never abused anyone.

But he has probably got himself a reputation now as a whinger and a
troublemaker.

I cant begin to describe what a repulsive comment that is, you complete
and utter ****ing dickhead.


Oh, did I offend you personally? I'm so glad. Made my day.


  #17  
Old August 27th 08, 08:49 PM posted to uk.legal
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In article , still a novice
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But he has probably got himself a reputation now as a whinger and a
troublemaker.


I cant begin to describe what a repulsive comment that is, you complete
and utter ****ing dickhead.


He was interviewed on Radio 2 this lunch time, justice has certainly let
him down big time.


No, it really hasn't.

He has chosen a field of work where he was always likely to face allegations
of abuse. It's not so different from a policeman who might regularly face
accusations of being violent or corrupt.

The answer is to deal with it professionally. If potential employers don't
like him, it's all too easy for him to blame it on his CRB record. Maybe
he's also a bit of an arrogant ******* who hasn't been that easy to work
with, and this shines through.


This system is so open to abuse by nasty individuals that it should be
discontinued at once, there was a phone in from a teacher who
disciplined an unruly pupil who immediately made a totally unfounded
assault complaint against him, this made it impossible for him to get
another job for several months until he found an employer with a bit of
common sense.


Sounds like half a story.

Was the teacher dismissed? Was the dismissal fair or unfair? Was the
"unfounded" complaint actually founded? Did the teacher think it was still
okay to give clips round the ear or taps on the leg?




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Old August 27th 08, 08:56 PM posted to uk.legal
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"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message
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On Aug 27, 8:11 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message

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On Aug 27, 7:28 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message


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On Aug 27, 6:04 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message


...


On Aug 27, 5:43 pm, "The Todal" wrote:
Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
Presumed guilty: The loving stepfather devoted to helping
autistic
youngsters now fighting to clear his name


By Natasha Courtenay-Smith


Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th August 2008


Every second Thursday, John Pinnington follows the same,
rather
bleak
routine.


After breakfast, he heads to his local JobCentre, where he
collects
his dole money for the week ahead.


It is a paltry sum, a mere fraction of what he used to earn
when
he
was the respected deputy headmaster of an Oxfordshire college
for
young adults with learning difficulties.


He and his wife Rosie no longer enjoy the comforts of the
lifestyle
they once led.


Instead of playing the martyr and appealing for help from Daily
Wail
readers, he should behave like a professional. Apply for jobs,
submit
his
CV
and explain if necessary with a copy of the court judgment that
he
is
in
fact scrupulously honest and has never abused anyone.


But he has probably got himself a reputation now as a whinger
and a
troublemaker.


Again, you have no idea.


WM


The rules have been introduced at the demand of the red tops, a few
are
bound to suffer best he find another job where he dont need a
check.


Did you read the full piece?


WM


Yes I did as did the Lord Justice


'He has not worked since and now considers himself unemployable.'


With every job he applies for - including more teaching jobs, a job as
a groundsman and voluntary positions - he tells employers about the
stain on his CRB.


'I think even if I was applying for a job stacking shelves, the
allegations would still mean I wouldn't get it,' says John.


'And I understand the logic: who wants to employ a man who has been
sacked, who has sordid allegations against him and a two-year gap on
his CV? Why take the risk?'


*****
W


Where would the stacking shelves job be then mothercare ?


It does not matter. It is about the 'public face' shown by employees
to customers.

You think a man of his calibre should stack shelves? A useful
application of training and skills?

WM



Well his school days are history better look at other jobs, that's the
reality.

  #19  
Old August 27th 08, 09:05 PM posted to uk.legal
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On Aug 27, 8:56 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message

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On Aug 27, 8:11 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message


...


On Aug 27, 7:28 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message


...


On Aug 27, 6:04 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message


...


On Aug 27, 5:43 pm, "The Todal" wrote:
Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
Presumed guilty: The loving stepfather devoted to helping
autistic
youngsters now fighting to clear his name


By Natasha Courtenay-Smith


Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th August 2008


Every second Thursday, John Pinnington follows the same,
rather
bleak
routine.


After breakfast, he heads to his local JobCentre, where he
collects
his dole money for the week ahead.


It is a paltry sum, a mere fraction of what he used to earn
when
he
was the respected deputy headmaster of an Oxfordshire college
for
young adults with learning difficulties.


He and his wife Rosie no longer enjoy the comforts of the
lifestyle
they once led.


Instead of playing the martyr and appealing for help from Daily
Wail
readers, he should behave like a professional. Apply for jobs,
submit
his
CV
and explain if necessary with a copy of the court judgment that
he
is
in
fact scrupulously honest and has never abused anyone.


But he has probably got himself a reputation now as a whinger
and a
troublemaker.


Again, you have no idea.


WM


The rules have been introduced at the demand of the red tops, a few
are
bound to suffer best he find another job where he dont need a
check.


Did you read the full piece?


WM


Yes I did as did the Lord Justice


'He has not worked since and now considers himself unemployable.'


With every job he applies for - including more teaching jobs, a job as
a groundsman and voluntary positions - he tells employers about the
stain on his CRB.


'I think even if I was applying for a job stacking shelves, the
allegations would still mean I wouldn't get it,' says John.


'And I understand the logic: who wants to employ a man who has been
sacked, who has sordid allegations against him and a two-year gap on
his CV? Why take the risk?'


*****
W


Where would the stacking shelves job be then mothercare ?


It does not matter. It is about the 'public face' shown by employees
to customers.


You think a man of his calibre should stack shelves? A useful
application of training and skills?


WM


Well his school days are history better look at other jobs, that's the
reality.


Not quite got the idea of the story have you?

I expect it from The T, but you?

WM
  #20  
Old August 27th 08, 09:05 PM posted to uk.legal
Webmanager_CritEst
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On Aug 27, 8:56 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message

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On Aug 27, 8:11 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message


...


On Aug 27, 7:28 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message


...


On Aug 27, 6:04 pm, "Airmax" wrote:
"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message


...


On Aug 27, 5:43 pm, "The Todal" wrote:
Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
Presumed guilty: The loving stepfather devoted to helping
autistic
youngsters now fighting to clear his name


By Natasha Courtenay-Smith


Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th August 2008


Every second Thursday, John Pinnington follows the same,
rather
bleak
routine.


After breakfast, he heads to his local JobCentre, where he
collects
his dole money for the week ahead.


It is a paltry sum, a mere fraction of what he used to earn
when
he
was the respected deputy headmaster of an Oxfordshire college
for
young adults with learning difficulties.


He and his wife Rosie no longer enjoy the comforts of the
lifestyle
they once led.


Instead of playing the martyr and appealing for help from Daily
Wail
readers, he should behave like a professional. Apply for jobs,
submit
his
CV
and explain if necessary with a copy of the court judgment that
he
is
in
fact scrupulously honest and has never abused anyone.


But he has probably got himself a reputation now as a whinger
and a
troublemaker.


Again, you have no idea.


WM


The rules have been introduced at the demand of the red tops, a few
are
bound to suffer best he find another job where he dont need a
check.


Did you read the full piece?


WM


Yes I did as did the Lord Justice


'He has not worked since and now considers himself unemployable.'


With every job he applies for - including more teaching jobs, a job as
a groundsman and voluntary positions - he tells employers about the
stain on his CRB.


'I think even if I was applying for a job stacking shelves, the
allegations would still mean I wouldn't get it,' says John.


'And I understand the logic: who wants to employ a man who has been
sacked, who has sordid allegations against him and a two-year gap on
his CV? Why take the risk?'


*****
W


Where would the stacking shelves job be then mothercare ?


It does not matter. It is about the 'public face' shown by employees
to customers.


You think a man of his calibre should stack shelves? A useful
application of training and skills?


WM


Well his school days are history better look at other jobs, that's the
reality.


Not quite got the idea of the story have you?

I expect it from The T, but you?

WM
 




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