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Presumed guilty: The loving stepfather devoted to
helping
autistic
youngsters now fighting to clear his name

By Natasha Courtenay-Smith

Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th August 2008

Every second Thursday, John Pinnington follows the
same,
rather
bleak
routine.

After breakfast, he heads to his local JobCentre,
where
he
collects
his dole money for the week ahead.

It is a paltry sum, a mere fraction of what he used
to
earn
when
he
was the respected deputy headmaster of an Oxfordshire
college
for
young adults with learning difficulties.

He and his wife Rosie no longer enjoy the comforts of
the
lifestyle
they once led.

Instead of playing the martyr and appealing for help
from
Daily
Wail
readers, he should behave like a professional. Apply
for
jobs,
submit
his
CV
and explain if necessary with a copy of the court
judgment
that
he
is
in
fact scrupulously honest and has never abused anyone.

But he has probably got himself a reputation now as a
whinger
and a
troublemaker.

Again, you have no idea.

WM

The rules have been introduced at the demand of the red
tops,
a
few
are
bound to suffer best he find another job where he dont
need a
check.

Did you read the full piece?

WM

Yes I did as did the Lord Justice

'He has not worked since and now considers himself
unemployable.'

With every job he applies for - including more teaching jobs,
a
job
as
a groundsman and voluntary positions - he tells employers
about
the
stain on his CRB.

'I think even if I was applying for a job stacking shelves,
the
allegations would still mean I wouldn't get it,' says John.

'And I understand the logic: who wants to employ a man who has
been
sacked, who has sordid allegations against him and a two-year
gap
on
his CV? Why take the risk?'

*****
W

Where would the stacking shelves job be then mothercare ?

It does not matter. It is about the 'public face' shown by
employees
to customers.

You think a man of his calibre should stack shelves? A useful
application of training and skills?

WM

Well his school days are history better look at other jobs, that's
the
reality.

Not quite got the idea of the story have you?

I expect it from The T, but you?

WM

Explain what you are getting at then.

He is Unemployable. That is an official term, which now appears to
apply to him. Such people get basic JSA (or equivalent).

Now, for me, as much as it is unacceptable, it is more
understandable ... for him, and many others come?

It is prejudice and requires serious and rapid legal redress.

WM

The reason this enhanced checking was introduced was because of unproven
allegations made against Huntley, when such a system was introduced it
was
bound to lead to such a case as this. I don't agree with it but the
reality
is he is not going to get a job working with children. I would not say he
is
Unemployable he has not got a criminal record, he can take up alternative
work not needing a CRB. I know what you are saying but we are where we
are
at not where we want to be.

It is not about CRB, alone, it is about the application for *all* jobs
and misinformed prejudice. We tackle prejudice with law.

You seem to be posting in duplicate, for some reason.

I assume you haven't read the court judgment relating to the case, since you
seem to know so little about the subject and you spout such ********.

Mr Pinnington was accused by several mentally handicapped people, of
sexually abusing them. The police decided not to prosecute. He wasn't
acquitted of any crime, he wasn't vindicated, he wasn't found to be
innocent. The fact that the allegations were made, is an important fact that
*must* remain on his record. He won't be the only one who has had such
allegations made against him, but he is the loudest complainer and the most
self-righteous.

It is nothing to do with "misinformed prejudice". You are probably
imagining that you have something in common with him. You, who are sexually
attracted to children, somehow have something in common with a hard working
head teacher who isn't sexually attracted to children. No, I can't see it.



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On Aug 27, 5:43 pm, "The Todal"
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Presumed guilty: The loving stepfather devoted to
helping
autistic
youngsters now fighting to clear his name

By Natasha Courtenay-Smith

Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th August 2008

Every second Thursday, John Pinnington follows the
same,
rather
bleak
routine.

After breakfast, he heads to his local JobCentre,
where
he
collects
his dole money for the week ahead.

It is a paltry sum, a mere fraction of what he used
to
earn
when
he
was the respected deputy headmaster of an Oxfordshire
college
for
young adults with learning difficulties.

He and his wife Rosie no longer enjoy the comforts of
the
lifestyle
they once led.

Instead of playing the martyr and appealing for help
from
Daily
Wail
readers, he should behave like a professional. Apply
for
jobs,
submit
his
CV
and explain if necessary with a copy of the court
judgment
that
he
is
in
fact scrupulously honest and has never abused anyone.

But he has probably got himself a reputation now as a
whinger
and a
troublemaker.

Again, you have no idea.

WM

The rules have been introduced at the demand of the red
tops,
a
few
are
bound to suffer best he find another job where he dont
need a
check.

Did you read the full piece?

WM

Yes I did as did the Lord Justice

'He has not worked since and now considers himself
unemployable.'

With every job he applies for - including more teaching jobs,
a
job
as
a groundsman and voluntary positions - he tells employers
about
the
stain on his CRB.

'I think even if I was applying for a job stacking shelves,
the
allegations would still mean I wouldn't get it,' says John.

'And I understand the logic: who wants to employ a man who has
been
sacked, who has sordid allegations against him and a two-year
gap
on
his CV? Why take the risk?'

*****
W

Where would the stacking shelves job be then mothercare ?

It does not matter. It is about the 'public face' shown by
employees
to customers.

You think a man of his calibre should stack shelves? A useful
application of training and skills?

WM

Well his school days are history better look at other jobs, that's
the
reality.

Not quite got the idea of the story have you?

I expect it from The T, but you?

WM

Explain what you are getting at then.

He is Unemployable. That is an official term, which now appears to
apply to him. Such people get basic JSA (or equivalent).

Now, for me, as much as it is unacceptable, it is more
understandable ... for him, and many others come?

It is prejudice and requires serious and rapid legal redress.

WM

The reason this enhanced checking was introduced was because of unproven
allegations made against Huntley, when such a system was introduced it
was
bound to lead to such a case as this. I don't agree with it but the
reality
is he is not going to get a job working with children. I would not say he
is
Unemployable he has not got a criminal record, he can take up alternative
work not needing a CRB. I know what you are saying but we are where we
are
at not where we want to be.

It is not about CRB, alone, it is about the application for *all* jobs
and misinformed prejudice. We tackle prejudice with law.

[You seem to be posting in duplicate, for some reason.]

My apologies - fixed.

[Mr Pinnington was accused by several mentally handicapped people, of
sexually abusing them ...

Snip]

That makes him a totally innocent person.

[It is nothing to do with "misinformed prejudice".]

I beg to differ. I know, I am a concrete victim of such.

[You are probably imagining that you have something in common with
him.]

Absolutely, in regards to misinformed prejudice.

[You, who are sexually attracted to children, somehow have something
in common with a hard working
head teacher who isn't sexually attracted to children. No, I can't see
it.]

I have everything in common with many Heads, and Deputies, and HoDs,
and HoSs and mainscale teachers.

I do not see why that should be an issue, in regards to misinformed
prejudice, affecting general employment.

Do you?

WM

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The answer is to deal with it professionally. If potential employers
don't
like him, it's all too easy for him to blame it on his CRB record.

The guidance notes on staff recruitment given to school governors
around here say anyone seeking employment as a teacher with _any_
entry on an enhanced CRB disclosure mentioning allegations of
inappropriate behaviour should not be called to interview.

How is the applicant supposed to respond to that professionally?

Instead of whining that the allegations should be expunged from his record,
he should continue to apply for posts, he should insist politely that he
should be interviewed, and he should if necessary pursue legal action
against those who refuse to interview him.

I don't believe that he has tried hard to obtain fresh employment. I haven't
seen him describe, properly, the efforts he has made. All we hear from him
is that he believes the stain on his CRB record must be removed. It seems to
have become an irrational obsession for him. It is as if in his mind, his
rights must trump those of the mentally handicapped.

Are you are retired person Todal?

WM

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Presumed guilty: The loving stepfather devoted to
helping
autistic
youngsters now fighting to clear his name

By Natasha Courtenay-Smith

Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th August 2008

Every second Thursday, John Pinnington follows the
same,
rather
bleak
routine.

After breakfast, he heads to his local JobCentre,
where
he
collects
his dole money for the week ahead.

It is a paltry sum, a mere fraction of what he used
to
earn
when
he
was the respected deputy headmaster of an Oxfordshire
college
for
young adults with learning difficulties.

He and his wife Rosie no longer enjoy the comforts of
the
lifestyle
they once led.

Instead of playing the martyr and appealing for help
from
Daily
Wail
readers, he should behave like a professional. Apply
for
jobs,
submit
his
CV
and explain if necessary with a copy of the court
judgment
that
he
is
in
fact scrupulously honest and has never abused anyone.

But he has probably got himself a reputation now as a
whinger
and a
troublemaker.

Again, you have no idea.

WM

The rules have been introduced at the demand of the red
tops,
a
few
are
bound to suffer best he find another job where he dont
need a
check.

Did you read the full piece?

WM

Yes I did as did the Lord Justice

'He has not worked since and now considers himself
unemployable.'

With every job he applies for - including more teaching jobs,
a
job
as
a groundsman and voluntary positions - he tells employers
about
the
stain on his CRB.

'I think even if I was applying for a job stacking shelves,
the
allegations would still mean I wouldn't get it,' says John.

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The Todal wrote:
Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
Presumed guilty: The loving stepfather devoted to helping autistic
youngsters now fighting to clear his name

By Natasha Courtenay-Smith

Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th August 2008

Every second Thursday, John Pinnington follows the same, rather bleak
routine.

After breakfast, he heads to his local JobCentre, where he collects
his dole money for the week ahead.

It is a paltry sum, a mere fraction of what he used to earn when he
was the respected deputy headmaster of an Oxfordshire college for
young adults with learning difficulties.

He and his wife Rosie no longer enjoy the comforts of the lifestyle
they once led.

Instead of playing the martyr and appealing for help from Daily Wail
readers, he should behave like a professional. Apply for jobs, submit
his CV and explain if necessary with a copy of the court judgment
that he is in fact scrupulously honest and has never abused anyone.

But he has probably got himself a reputation now as a whinger and a
troublemaker.

I think that's rather unfair. Many employers will now avoid taking on
such applicants, just in case, so he's potentially blacklisted for life
without any finding of culpability against him.

So he might claim, in his crusade against reality, but the court judgment
would greatly assist him in applying for jobs and assuring potential
employers that despite his CRB record, he is a good employee.

I'm not at all convinced that he's trying hard enough. I think he's stuck in
the rut of what he sees as a grievous miscarriage of justice.


If I was a frontline teacher (especially a man) I'd now be taking care to
avoid any complaints, with resulting detriment to the quality of education
& care offered to pupils.

It needn't be a detriment. There shouldn't be many occasions when a teacher
needs to be alone with a pupil for significant periods of time. Yes, it
might be inconvenient that the personal tuition sessions have to go by the
board, but there are always other ways of accomplishing the same objective.

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The Todal wrote:
Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
Presumed guilty: The loving stepfather devoted to helping autistic
youngsters now fighting to clear his name

By Natasha Courtenay-Smith

Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th August 2008

Every second Thursday, John Pinnington follows the same, rather bleak
routine.

After breakfast, he heads to his local JobCentre, where he collects
his dole money for the week ahead.

It is a paltry sum, a mere fraction of what he used to earn when he
was the respected deputy headmaster of an Oxfordshire college for
young adults with learning difficulties.

He and his wife Rosie no longer enjoy the comforts of the lifestyle
they once led.

Instead of playing the martyr and appealing for help from Daily Wail
readers, he should behave like a professional. Apply for jobs, submit
his CV and explain if necessary with a copy of the court judgment
that he is in fact scrupulously honest and has never abused anyone.

But he has probably got himself a reputation now as a whinger and a
troublemaker.

I think that's rather unfair. Many employers will now avoid taking on
such applicants, just in case, so he's potentially blacklisted for life
without any finding of culpability against him.

So he might claim, in his crusade against reality, but the court judgment
would greatly assist him in applying for jobs and assuring potential
employers that despite his CRB record, he is a good employee.

I'm not at all convinced that he's trying hard enough. I think he's stuck in
the rut of what he sees as a grievous miscarriage of justice.



If I was a frontline teacher (especially a man) I'd now be taking care to
avoid any complaints, with resulting detriment to the quality of education
& care offered to pupils.

It needn't be a detriment. There shouldn't be many occasions when a teacher
needs to be alone with a pupil for significant periods of time. Yes, it
might be inconvenient that the personal tuition sessions have to go by the
board, but there are always other ways of accomplishing the same objective.

Again, totally oblivious to how effective education works.

WM

On Aug 27, 11:29 pm, "The Todal" wrote:
"Peter Parry" wrote in message

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:49:31 +0100, "The Todal"
wrote:

The answer is to deal with it professionally. If potential employers
don't
like him, it's all too easy for him to blame it on his CRB record.

The guidance notes on staff recruitment given to school governors
around here say anyone seeking employment as a teacher with _any_
entry on an enhanced CRB disclosure mentioning allegations of
inappropriate behaviour should not be called to interview.

How is the applicant supposed to respond to that professionally?

Instead of whining that the allegations should be expunged from his record,
he should continue to apply for posts, he should insist politely that he
should be interviewed, and he should if necessary pursue legal action
against those who refuse to interview him.

I don't believe that he has tried hard to obtain fresh employment. I haven't
seen him describe, properly, the efforts he has made. All we hear from him
is that he believes the stain on his CRB record must be removed. It seems to
have become an irrational obsession for him. It is as if in his mind, his
rights must trump those of the mentally handicapped.

Do you know what one has to do, every time one 'signs on' for JSA
(i.e. every fortnight, until it's every week)?

WM

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The Todal wrote:
Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
Presumed guilty: The loving stepfather devoted to helping autistic
youngsters now fighting to clear his name

By Natasha Courtenay-Smith

Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th August 2008

Every second Thursday, John Pinnington follows the same, rather bleak
routine.

After breakfast, he heads to his local JobCentre, where he collects
his dole money for the week ahead.

It is a paltry sum, a mere fraction of what he used to earn when he
was the respected deputy headmaster of an Oxfordshire college for
young adults with learning difficulties.

He and his wife Rosie no longer enjoy the comforts of the lifestyle
they once led.

Instead of playing the martyr and appealing for help from Daily Wail
readers, he should behave like a professional. Apply for jobs, submit
his CV and explain if necessary with a copy of the court judgment
that he is in fact scrupulously honest and has never abused anyone.

But he has probably got himself a reputation now as a whinger and a
troublemaker.

I think that's rather unfair. Many employers will now avoid taking on
such applicants, just in case, so he's potentially blacklisted for life
without any finding of culpability against him.

So he might claim, in his crusade against reality, but the court judgment
would greatly assist him in applying for jobs and assuring potential
employers that despite his CRB record, he is a good employee.

I'm not at all convinced that he's trying hard enough. I think he's stuck
in
the rut of what he sees as a grievous miscarriage of justice.



If I was a frontline teacher (especially a man) I'd now be taking care
to
avoid any complaints, with resulting detriment to the quality of
education
& care offered to pupils.

It needn't be a detriment. There shouldn't be many occasions when a
teacher
needs to be alone with a pupil for significant periods of time. Yes, it
might be inconvenient that the personal tuition sessions have to go by
the
board, but there are always other ways of accomplishing the same
objective.

Again, totally oblivious to how effective education works.

Again, obsessed with the desire to be alone with children.

"Webmanager_CritEst" wrote in message
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On Aug 27, 11:29 pm, "The Todal" wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:49:31 +0100, "The Todal"
wrote:

The answer is to deal with it professionally. If potential employers
don't
like him, it's all too easy for him to blame it on his CRB record.

The guidance notes on staff recruitment given to school governors
around here say anyone seeking employment as a teacher with _any_
entry on an enhanced CRB disclosure mentioning allegations of
inappropriate behaviour should not be called to interview.

How is the applicant supposed to respond to that professionally?

Instead of whining that the allegations should be expunged from his
record,
he should continue to apply for posts, he should insist politely that he
should be interviewed, and he should if necessary pursue legal action
against those who refuse to interview him.

I don't believe that he has tried hard to obtain fresh employment. I
haven't
seen him describe, properly, the efforts he has made. All we hear from
him
is that he believes the stain on his CRB record must be removed. It seems
to
have become an irrational obsession for him. It is as if in his mind, his
rights must trump those of the mentally handicapped.

Do you know what one has to do, every time one 'signs on' for JSA
(i.e. every fortnight, until it's every week)?

No.

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"Steve Walker" wrote in message

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The Todal wrote:
Webmanager_CritEst wrote:
Presumed guilty: The loving stepfather devoted to helping autistic
youngsters now fighting to clear his name

By Natasha Courtenay-Smith

Last updated at 12:26 AM on 27th August 2008

Every second Thursday, John Pinnington follows the same, rather bleak
routine.

After breakfast, he heads to his local JobCentre, where he collects
his dole money for the week ahead.

It is a paltry sum, a mere fraction of what he used to earn when he
was the respected deputy headmaster of an Oxfordshire college for
young adults with learning difficulties.

He and his wife Rosie no longer enjoy the comforts of the lifestyle
they once led.

Instead of playing the martyr and appealing for help from Daily Wail
readers, he should behave like a professional. Apply for jobs, submit
his CV and explain if necessary with a copy of the court judgment
that he is in fact scrupulously honest and has never abused anyone.

But he has probably got himself a reputation now as a whinger and a
troublemaker.

I think that's rather unfair. Many employers will now avoid taking on
such applicants, just in case, so he's potentially blacklisted for life
without any finding of culpability against him.

So he might claim, in his crusade against reality, but the court judgment
would greatly assist him in applying for jobs and assuring potential
employers that despite his CRB record, he is a good employee.

I'm not at all convinced that he's trying hard enough. I think he's stuck
in
the rut of what he sees as a grievous miscarriage of justice.

If I was a frontline teacher (especially a man) I'd now be taking care
to
avoid any complaints, with resulting detriment to the quality of
education
& care offered to pupils.

It needn't be a detriment. There shouldn't be many occasions when a
teacher
needs to be alone with a pupil for significant periods of time. Yes, it
might be inconvenient that the personal tuition sessions have to go by
the
board, but there are always other ways of accomplishing the same
objective.

Again, totally oblivious to how effective education works.

Again, obsessed with the desire to be alone with children.

Absolutely not, I would not return to the chalkface if you paid me.

You are not implying, that I have ever been described as a threat to
minors, by anyone in authority, are you?

I will ignore your adhom (again) and ask you, do you know what the
responsibilities and activitites of a form tutor are?

Are you a retired person?

WM

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On Aug 27, 11:29 pm, "The Todal" wrote:
"Peter Parry" wrote in message

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:49:31 +0100, "The Todal"
wrote:

The answer is to deal with it professionally. If potential employers
don't
like him, it's all too easy for him to blame it on his CRB record.

The guidance notes on staff recruitment given to school governors
around here say anyone seeking employment as a teacher with _any_
entry on an enhanced CRB disclosure mentioning allegations of
inappropriate behaviour should not be called to interview.

How is the applicant supposed to respond to that professionally?

Instead of whining that the allegations should be expunged from his
record,
he should continue to apply for posts, he should insist politely that he
should be interviewed, and he should if necessary pursue legal action
against those who refuse to interview him.

I don't believe that he has tried hard to obtain fresh employment. I
haven't
seen him describe, properly, the efforts he has made. All we hear from
him
is that he believes the stain on his CRB record must be removed. It seems
to
have become an irrational obsession for him. It is as if in his mind, his
rights must trump those of the mentally handicapped.

Do you know what one has to do, every time one 'signs on' for JSA
(i.e. every fortnight, until it's every week)?

No.

No, guessed not.

WM