"steve robinson" wrote

That in itself shows how the polititons and diplomats failed the people
of
europe in allowing the situation to develop in Germany which allowed the
rise
of the nazi party , in a country that was not supposed to have a military
capeablity after the first world war

Good job we won.

Otherwise we'd be speaking German or Russian or your language, whatever that
is.

Mr. Broadhurst wrote:
"steve robinson" wrote

That in itself shows how the polititons and diplomats failed the
people of
europe in allowing the situation to develop in Germany which allowed
the rise
of the nazi party , in a country that was not supposed to have a
military capeablity after the first world war

Good job we won.

Otherwise we'd be speaking German or Russian or your language,
whatever that is.

Gibberish. OK, it's advanced gibberish, but it's still gibberish.

On 9 Nov, 19:56, "Anthony R. Gold" wrote:


You truly believe the more honourable things to have done in 1939 with
respect the attack on Poland and in 2001 with respect to the attack on the
USA would have been to ignore our mutual defence treaty obligations and not
to join in waging wars against Germany and Afghanistan respectively?

Of course the war that was the origin of Remembrance Sunday was the
first world war. It is extremely useful and important to remember that
war because (i) it was the bloodiest war ever fought (ii) much of the
death and bloodshed was entirely futile even within the narrow
military objectives of the war (iii) the war resolved nothing of
importance and so "the war to end all wars" failed to do exactly that.

A better illustration of the horror and futility of war I cannot
imagine and therefore a better subject for collective remembrance I
cannot pick.

Francis

Mr. Broadhurst wrote:


"steve robinson" wrote

That in itself shows how the polititons and diplomats failed the people of
europe in allowing the situation to develop in Germany which allowed the
rise of the nazi party , in a country that was not supposed to have a
military capeablity after the first world war

Good job we won.

Otherwise we'd be speaking German or Russian or your language, whatever that
is.

Did we , if you look at the economies of Germany and the UK which one has
benefited

Which country got masses of aid after the conflict and which country was left
near bankruptcy , we only finished paying the americans off about 10 years ago
for the lease/ lend of warships planes etc

Poland went from being occupied by the Germans to being occupied by the
Russians

We ended up paying many of the European countries vast sums of money to rebuild
thier countries because we had the audacity to bomb the occuping forces .

Which country now dominates Europe

The second world war changed very little

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On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:20:30 +0000, Mr. Broadhurst wrote:

"steve robinson" wrote

That in itself shows how the polititons and diplomats failed the people
of
europe in allowing the situation to develop in Germany which allowed the
rise
of the nazi party , in a country that was not supposed to have a military
capeablity after the first world war

Good job we won.

Otherwise we'd be speaking German or Russian or your language, whatever that
is.

laugh

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One way ticket from Mornington Crescent to Tannhauser Gate please.

On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:29:39 -0800, Francis Davey wrote:

Of course the war that was the origin of Remembrance Sunday was the
first world war. It is extremely useful and important to remember that
war because (i) it was the bloodiest war ever fought (ii) much of the
death and bloodshed was entirely futile even within the narrow
military objectives of the war (iii) the war resolved nothing of
importance and so "the war to end all wars" failed to do exactly that.

A better illustration of the horror and futility of war I cannot
imagine and therefore a better subject for collective remembrance I
cannot pick.

Nicely put.

I was wondering today how many troops the UK has had killed in action
in Afghanistan and the other place over the last mumble years, and how
many have died in road accidents, training accidents, or indeed
mysterious goings-on in training camps.

Every time a soldier dies in Herat or Basra it's News; but I can't help
thinking that (a) this is their job and (b) it's not that many. Indeed
I've got a vague feeling that the most dangerous part of a soldier's
career these days is after they've left the army - how many end up
homeless, addicted to smack, and (eventually) dead?

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One way ticket from Mornington Crescent to Tannhauser Gate please.

Fevric J Glandules wrote:
On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:29:39 -0800, Francis Davey wrote:

Of course the war that was the origin of Remembrance Sunday was the
first world war. It is extremely useful and important to remember
that war because (i) it was the bloodiest war ever fought (ii) much
of the death and bloodshed was entirely futile even within the narrow
military objectives of the war (iii) the war resolved nothing of
importance and so "the war to end all wars" failed to do exactly
that.

A better illustration of the horror and futility of war I cannot
imagine and therefore a better subject for collective remembrance I
cannot pick.

Nicely put.

I was wondering today how many troops the UK has had killed in action
in Afghanistan and the other place over the last mumble years, and how
many have died in road accidents, training accidents, or indeed
mysterious goings-on in training camps.

Every time a soldier dies in Herat or Basra it's News; but I can't
help thinking that (a) this is their job and (b) it's not that many.
Indeed I've got a vague feeling that the most dangerous part of a
soldier's career these days is after they've left the army - how many
end up homeless, addicted to smack, and (eventually) dead?

It has been said that a quarter of Britain's homeless are ex-servicemen:

http://www.epolitix.com/briefings/ar...ex-servicemen/

The British Legion does a great job, but tends to concentrate on those who
have become disabled rather than just unemployed after leaving the armed
forces, and of course, its funds aren't unlimited. I saw a news item in the
last couple of days about a disabled ex-soldier whose military pension was
the princely sum of £58 per week- which is less than Income Support. He'll
get his rent paid on that basis, and can qualify for some Incapacity
Benefit, but only to top him up to still less than the national minimum
wage.

My grandfather and father were both soldiers in their time, and my father
had a profession to return to after WWII, so didn't need help; but if he
had, I wonder whether it would have been adequate. On demob, IIRC, all they
got was a suit, a return ticket home and some beer money. I don't remember
my father getting an Army pension, although my grandmother got one, but then
my grandfather was a Lt. Col. and not a johnny.

Appalling.

In article ,
says...
Steve Walker wrote:

Sam Nelson wrote:
In article ,
says...
steve robinson wrote:

Well said, Steve

That's right. You Steves all stick together and save us from the
nasty troll.

Damn right - it's the Trinity of the Steve. Wait till one more arrives
and we morph into a fighting robot.

What is a collective noun for Steves?


I think it has to be "cram". A cram of Steves.

--
eric
Live fast, die only if strictly necessary.

In article ,
says...
Bazzer Smith wrote:
Time to forget all this glorifying war lark and move on I think.
Waste of time and money too.

The very fact that you cannot spell REMEMBRANCE shows why we need it.


Not really. It shows we need to improve the education system, and it may
well show that Mr Smith needs to take a bit more water with it. We need
Remembrance Sunday in order to keep it clear that the WW1 was so horrible
that afterwards nobody could possibly contemplate going to war again.
Unfortunately it hasn't been working and we probably need a further 51
Remembrance Sundays a year. Either that or disband the armed forces and
send politicians to war instead.

--
eric
Live fast, die only if strictly necessary.

Bing Trotsky wrote:
In article ,
says...
Bazzer Smith wrote:
Time to forget all this glorifying war lark and move on I think.
Waste of time and money too.

The very fact that you cannot spell REMEMBRANCE shows why we need it.


Not really. It shows we need to improve the education system, and it
may well show that Mr Smith needs to take a bit more water with it.
We need Remembrance Sunday in order to keep it clear that the WW1 was
so horrible that afterwards nobody could possibly contemplate going
to war again. Unfortunately it hasn't been working and we probably
need a further 51 Remembrance Sundays a year. Either that or disband
the armed forces and send politicians to war instead.

I thought "lions led by donkeys" was bad enough, but "donkeys led by
donkeys" would be worse, except to the extent that it would get rid of
politicians.