wrote:
Logician wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3641866.ece

Suicide clinics charge 3000 pounds for a suicide service. The Times
reports how most of that cost is for a doctor's bribe. The clinics are
now trying to kill people using gas which can take up to 30 minutes.

"Dignitas argued that gassing was faster than poisonous injection
because helium did not require a prescription, eliminating the cost
and the time involved in finding a sympathetic doctor."

My answer is simple. Jail all the people working in the suicide
clinics and the problem is solved immediately.

When my poor old dog was put down I asked what was used and was told
that it is good old Valium which sends them peacefully off to sleep in
seconds.

Was I lied to or have the doctors missed something?

A vet. told me she used pentobarbitone sodium, which is far more toxic than
diazepam (Valium).

--
Mike

"Lou Ravi" wrote in message
...
Logician wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3641866.ece

Suicide clinics charge 3000 pounds for a suicide service. The Times
reports how most of that cost is for a doctor's bribe. The clinics are
now trying to kill people using gas which can take up to 30 minutes.

"Dignitas argued that gassing was faster than poisonous injection
because helium did not require a prescription

Oh dear. Helium is a non-poisonous inert gas. It kills people only by
suffocation. I doubt very much if even the worst vet in the world would
use it to put a mouse to sleep let alone a Swiss clinic.

Tell me, how do you get to become so stupid?

Killing by suffocation wouldn't be too bad, as I understand it. It would be
very uncomfortable of course to put a plastic bag on your head (as some
suicides do) and then gasp for breach as the level of carbon dioxide
increased. But if you were in an aircraft and the level of oxygen was
gradually reduced below a critical level, you would become elated, then
sleepy, then die. Without being conscious of any real discomfort.

Killing by suffocation wouldn't be too bad, as I understand it. It would
be very uncomfortable of course to put a plastic bag on your head (as some
suicides do) and then gasp for breach as the level of carbon dioxide
increased. But if you were in an aircraft and the level of oxygen was
gradually reduced below a critical level, you would become elated, then
sleepy, then die. Without being conscious of any real discomfort.

I'd ahve thought that Carbon Monoxide would have been the gas of choice.
Tasteless, odorless and if administered at the correct tim eyou simply die
in your sleep.

Chris

p.s. uk.politics.misc removed as its not carried on my news server

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:46:30 GMT, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Germany had no helium supplies (hence the hindenberg disaster)

IIUC the Hindenberg fire was due more to the highly flammable
(cellulose?) dope used to seal the envelope than the hydrogen gas used
to provide lift. Even had the envelope been filled with helium it
would still have caught fire and burned almost as fiercely.

--
Cynic

"Mrcheerful" wrote in message
om...
Steve Walker wrote:
wrote:
Logician wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3641866.ece

Suicide clinics charge 3000 pounds for a suicide service. The Times
reports how most of that cost is for a doctor's bribe. The clinics
are now trying to kill people using gas which can take up to 30
minutes. "Dignitas argued that gassing was faster than poisonous
injection
because helium did not require a prescription, eliminating the cost
and the time involved in finding a sympathetic doctor."

My answer is simple. Jail all the people working in the suicide
clinics and the problem is solved immediately.

When my poor old dog was put down I asked what was used and was told
that it is good old Valium which sends them peacefully off to sleep
in seconds.

Was I lied to or have the doctors missed something?

Helium?!! The gas that gives you a comedy squeaky voice? What a
way to go.....

(NB - WTF "Hitler's gas"? I don't think that helium was used in
the Final Solution)

Germany had no helium supplies (hence the hindenberg disaster) The gas
that supposedly was used in the supposed gas chambers was Zyklon B (an
insecticide)

Zykon B was the substance that produced the gas when it was warmed by the
heat rising from the victims. The gas itself was hydrogen cyanide.

Cynic wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:46:30 GMT, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Germany had no helium supplies (hence the hindenberg disaster)

IIUC the Hindenberg fire was due more to the highly flammable
(cellulose?) dope used to seal the envelope than the hydrogen gas used
to provide lift. Even had the envelope been filled with helium it
would still have caught fire and burned almost as fiercely.

In that case you don't UC. Hydrogen is hugely inflammable. Helium is inert
and isn't. In fact, helium would not support anything on fire but would put
it out by starving it of oxygen from the air.

The Todal wrote:
"Lou Ravi" wrote in message
...
Logician wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3641866.ece

Suicide clinics charge 3000 pounds for a suicide service. The Times
reports how most of that cost is for a doctor's bribe. The clinics are
now trying to kill people using gas which can take up to 30 minutes.

"Dignitas argued that gassing was faster than poisonous injection
because helium did not require a prescription
Oh dear. Helium is a non-poisonous inert gas. It kills people only by
suffocation. I doubt very much if even the worst vet in the world would
use it to put a mouse to sleep let alone a Swiss clinic.

Tell me, how do you get to become so stupid?

Killing by suffocation wouldn't be too bad, as I understand it. It would be
very uncomfortable of course to put a plastic bag on your head (as some
suicides do) and then gasp for breach as the level of carbon dioxide
increased. But if you were in an aircraft and the level of oxygen was
gradually reduced below a critical level, you would become elated, then
sleepy, then die. Without being conscious of any real discomfort.

People get killed on a regular basis accidentally from becoming
unconscious in oxygen starved atmospheres.
They do not notice any symptoms until it is too late.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_asphyxiation

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party
http://www.onetribe.me.uk/wordpress/?cat=5 - Our podcasts on weird stuff

On Nov 22, 8:43*am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Logician wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3641866.ece

Suicide clinics charge 3000 pounds for a suicide service. The Times
reports how most of that cost is for a doctor's bribe. The clinics are
now trying to kill people using gas which can take up to 30 minutes.

"Dignitas argued that gassing was faster than poisonous injection
because helium did not require a prescription, eliminating the cost
and the time involved in finding a sympathetic doctor."

My answer is simple. Jail all the people working in the suicide
clinics and the problem is solved immediately.

but nitrogen is far more easily and cheaply available. *lethal injection is
the preferable way and very fast.

I was surprised to find out that the main cost is bribing a doctor
(3000 pounds).

I have read some of the "final moments" written by the suicide clinic
staff and they are chilling. They are basically killing vulnerable
people.

On Nov 23, 1:28*am, nospam wrote:
Logician wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...pe/article3641
My answer is simple. Jail all the people working in the suicide
clinics and the problem is solved immediately.

What problem?
--

I was referring to the problem of criminals running around like wild
chickens (ie the suicide clinic staff). I would jail them and the rest
of the herd and then peace can be restored.

"Norman Wells" wrote in message
...
Cynic wrote:
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:46:30 GMT, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

Germany had no helium supplies (hence the hindenberg disaster)

IIUC the Hindenberg fire was due more to the highly flammable
(cellulose?) dope used to seal the envelope than the hydrogen gas used
to provide lift. Even had the envelope been filled with helium it
would still have caught fire and burned almost as fiercely.

In that case you don't UC. Hydrogen is hugely inflammable. Helium is
inert and isn't. In fact, helium would not support anything on fire but
would put it out by starving it of oxygen from the air.

Why would it starve a fire in air of oxygen?