"Dr Zoidberg" wrote in message
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another MickG wrote:
Scenario.

You pull off a roundabout, and accelerate away from the roundabout.
You accelerate up to 38 mph. You then realise your mistake and slow
down to 30 mph,( you are in a 30mph zone).

But you got zapped before you slowed down. So, concequently you are
sent a fine.

As is legally correct.
This is some way above the speed limit and while it may be the sort of
speeds that I do regularly I'm well aware of the risks.

Opinion.

I would say that accidently speeding and slowing doen to the speed
limit when you realise your mistake is responsible, and not at all
irresponsible.

Ok , then accellerating above the speed limit was careless.
You can have three points for due care and attention instead.

Assuming that the allegation was absolutely true!

When still photos have been proved to lie over and over again, how can
speed cameras be taken as a gospel to be an absolute truth about a
persons driving ?

The above happened to my dad, who had a clean licence all his life,
but has now given up driving because he thinks he may be becoming too
old and not sharp enough to drive. It's very sad.

So are elderly people driving round when they aren't safe

And young people driving around when they aren't safe, and some middle aged
drivers who aren't safe!

Alan

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"Michael Chare" wrote in message
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"Mike" wrote in message
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:10:03 +0100, (another MickG)
wrote:


I suspect it's quite unusual for someone to conclude that he's too old
to drive: most people are blithely unaware of their failing ability as
they grow older.

Most old people I know have in fact stopped driving. - though I don't
know
whtat difficulties they have had renewing their licences.

How old is old?

Alan



He is 72

I wouldn't class that as old enough to give up driving, unless he hsa become
senile.

Alan

Alan Holmes ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

How old is old?

He is 72

I wouldn't class that as old enough to give up driving, unless he hsa
become senile.

Age, per se, is no guide as to ability to drive. I know 90 year olds that
I'd be happy to have a lift off, and I know far younger people that are
utterly incompetent behind the wheel.

Alan Holmes wrote:
"Dr Zoidberg" wrote in message
...
another MickG wrote:
Scenario.

You pull off a roundabout, and accelerate away from the roundabout.
You accelerate up to 38 mph. You then realise your mistake and slow
down to 30 mph,( you are in a 30mph zone).

But you got zapped before you slowed down. So, concequently you are
sent a fine.

As is legally correct.
This is some way above the speed limit and while it may be the sort
of speeds that I do regularly I'm well aware of the risks.

Opinion.

I would say that accidently speeding and slowing doen to the speed
limit when you realise your mistake is responsible, and not at all
irresponsible.

Ok , then accellerating above the speed limit was careless.
You can have three points for due care and attention instead.

Assuming that the allegation was absolutely true!

The driver admits that they went too fast then slowed down.

When still photos have been proved to lie over and over again, how
can speed cameras be taken as a gospel to be an absolute truth
about a persons driving ?

The above happened to my dad, who had a clean licence all his life,
but has now given up driving because he thinks he may be becoming
too old and not sharp enough to drive. It's very sad.

So are elderly people driving round when they aren't safe

And young people driving around when they aren't safe, and some
middle aged drivers who aren't safe!

Yes , however it is a recognised medical fact that as you age your eyesight
, mobility and reactions are likely to get significantly worse to the point
where many pensioners are in such bad physical and mental condition that
they wouldn't stand a cat in hell's chance of passing even a basic DVLA
test. This is an entirely separate matter to your attitude and skill behind
the wheel which can be good or bad irrespective of age.


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Dr Zoidberg wrote:
another MickG wrote:
Scenario.

You pull off a roundabout, and accelerate away from the roundabout.
You accelerate up to 38 mph. You then realise your mistake and slow
down to 30 mph,( you are in a 30mph zone).

But you got zapped before you slowed down. So, concequently you are
sent a fine.

As is legally correct.
This is some way above the speed limit and while it may be the sort of
speeds that I do regularly I'm well aware of the risks.

what does this mean? Are you aware of the risks of being caught and
judge them worth taking compared to the benefit to you from exceeding
the limit or do you mean you are aware of the risks posed to other road
users and choose to impose these because (presumably) of the benefit to
you from exceeding the limit? What benefit do you consider you get
from speeding?

best wishes
james

another MickG wrote:
Scenario.
...You accelerate up to 38 mph....in a 30mph zone...
So, concequently you are sent a fine [for speeding].

Opinion.

...The above happened to my dad, who had a clean licence all his life, but has
now given up driving because he thinks he may be becoming too old and not
sharp enough to drive. It's very sad.

Can people in here let me have their opinions, for and against ?

If your dad feels that he can no longer drive safely then his decision
to give up is laudable. It took a two car pile-up to convince my
grandfather. Luckily nobody was seriously injured but i think your dad
may be better at reading the signals.

best wishes
james

"Dr Zoidberg" wrote in message
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Alan Holmes wrote:
"Dr Zoidberg" wrote in message
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another MickG wrote:
Scenario.

You pull off a roundabout, and accelerate away from the roundabout.
You accelerate up to 38 mph. You then realise your mistake and slow
down to 30 mph,( you are in a 30mph zone).

But you got zapped before you slowed down. So, concequently you are
sent a fine.

As is legally correct.
This is some way above the speed limit and while it may be the sort
of speeds that I do regularly I'm well aware of the risks.

Opinion.

I would say that accidently speeding and slowing doen to the speed
limit when you realise your mistake is responsible, and not at all
irresponsible.

Ok , then accellerating above the speed limit was careless.
You can have three points for due care and attention instead.

Assuming that the allegation was absolutely true!

The driver admits that they went too fast then slowed down.

But how can he be absolutely sure that he was going too fast, when
speedometers are not all that accurate anyway?

Alan

"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
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"Dr Zoidberg" wrote in message
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Alan Holmes wrote:
"Dr Zoidberg" wrote in message
...
another MickG wrote:
Scenario.

You pull off a roundabout, and accelerate away from the roundabout.
You accelerate up to 38 mph. You then realise your mistake and slow
down to 30 mph,( you are in a 30mph zone).

But you got zapped before you slowed down. So, concequently you are
sent a fine.

As is legally correct.
This is some way above the speed limit and while it may be the sort
of speeds that I do regularly I'm well aware of the risks.

Opinion.

I would say that accidently speeding and slowing doen to the speed
limit when you realise your mistake is responsible, and not at all
irresponsible.

Ok , then accellerating above the speed limit was careless.
You can have three points for due care and attention instead.

Assuming that the allegation was absolutely true!

The driver admits that they went too fast then slowed down.

But how can he be absolutely sure that he was going too fast, when
speedometers are not all that accurate anyway?


Either way, I wouldn't have thought that the fact that a speedometer is not
working properly would be an excuse for speeding.

Nick

"Alex Heney" wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:10:04 +0100, "Nick"
wrote:


snip

The driver admits that they went too fast then slowed down.

But how can he be absolutely sure that he was going too fast, when
speedometers are not all that accurate anyway?


Either way, I wouldn't have thought that the fact that a speedometer is
not
working properly would be an excuse for speeding.


Speedometers, by law, may not read low.

They can be out by up to 10% high, but not low at all.

So no, a faulty speedometer would be no excuse for speeding, and might
even be a second offence in its own right.

Thanks for clarification - that seems to be the same with a production line
where the setting must be such that the item is never or rarely below the
weight on the packet - indeed that is what the whole subject of quality
control is about.

The technical term I think is tolerance (ie plus or minus). If there is a 95
per cent confidence limit of X per cent on the reading of a speedometer,
then it should aimed to read at X per cent plus the true reading. Then if
there is a negative X per cent in the machinery, it will still not be below
the true reading.

Nick

"Nick" wrote in message
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"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
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"Dr Zoidberg" wrote in message
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Alan Holmes wrote:
"Dr Zoidberg" wrote in message
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another MickG wrote:
Scenario.

You pull off a roundabout, and accelerate away from the roundabout.
You accelerate up to 38 mph. You then realise your mistake and slow
down to 30 mph,( you are in a 30mph zone).

But you got zapped before you slowed down. So, concequently you are
sent a fine.

As is legally correct.
This is some way above the speed limit and while it may be the sort
of speeds that I do regularly I'm well aware of the risks.

Opinion.

I would say that accidently speeding and slowing doen to the speed
limit when you realise your mistake is responsible, and not at all
irresponsible.

Ok , then accellerating above the speed limit was careless.
You can have three points for due care and attention instead.

Assuming that the allegation was absolutely true!

The driver admits that they went too fast then slowed down.

But how can he be absolutely sure that he was going too fast, when
speedometers are not all that accurate anyway?


Either way, I wouldn't have thought that the fact that a speedometer is
not
working properly would be an excuse for speeding.

But, if it had been overreading by a significant amount he would not have
been exceeding the speeed limit!

Alan


Nick