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Knives etc legalities



 
 
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Old December 15th 06, 06:30 PM posted to uk.legal.moderated
PhilC
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Default Knives etc legalities

I have lifted this from another newsgroup alt.fan.landrover and have edited
it but hope you will get the idea..........

Hi all. While wandering through the market recently I noticed that the
diy stall is selling machetes for a fiver. I'm not sure how long it was
but it must have been at least 8 inches blade. Seeing the usefulness to
clear green lanes I went to buy it, but the SWMBO said it would be
illegal to carry it on board. I already have secateurs, saws, chainsaws
and a huge axe on board for the same purpose (clearing back shrubbery)
amongst a full toolkit including normal knifes, hammers, etc. All of
these are fairly lethal, so can I add the machete to the collection
without fear of hassle from the authorities should I be searched for any
reason?

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I was browsing this the other day as my brush clearer was questioned
by a friend:


One of the guys I dive with is a policeman and, jokingly, he once
remarked as we were kitting up that if he saw somebody with a knife
like the one he was strapping to his leg he'd nick them and leave
them to prove it wasn't illegal...

...but if we get trapped in netting underwater, a big problem in
wrecks, we need something pretty unsubtle as we have limited time
to solve the problem.


Reply

The law is too often an ass. If you can find a genuinely good lawyer, as
opposed to one who merely seems good from the perspective of one who
knows nothing at all, you probably cant afford him/her. After over 30
years of being a 100% successful Mackenziman (Non professional attorney
with some 36 consecutive court victories, including a case of offensive
weapons), I've learned that policeman, even the ones who do have
integrity, rank somewhere close to the very bottom of legal expertise
amongst legal professionals . They rely on the instantly capitulating
ignorance of their 'victims' for success, whistle having a low rate of
success against cognisant defence.

A silly case recently was a besuited city type being stopped, harassed
and then officially cautioned for carrying a cricket ball. Never accept
a caution, unless of course you're guilty. There are a number of items
that are offensive weapons per se, such as hand guns and knives with
blades over three inches, lock blades and any item specifically
proscribed by law.


My reply/question

Having watched several of the recent spate of Police Camera Action type
documentaries I looked up - what I thought to be the legislation regarding
knives. I can only assume I totally misread regarding locking blade knives -
I invariably have a sub3 inch blade Sandvik knife with locking blade in my
pocket. Does this mean that because I carry this - which I use for
gardening, stripping wire digging debris from the soles of my shoes/boots
etc etc - that I am breaking the law?
It was also used quite recently to dig out and release a small terrier - not
mine - that had trapped itself in a rabbit warren whilst out walking the
dogs.

PhilC







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Old December 15th 06, 08:55 PM posted to uk.legal.moderated
steve robinson
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Default Knives etc legalities

PhilC wrote:

I have lifted this from another newsgroup alt.fan.landrover and have
edited it but hope you will get the idea..........

Hi all. While wandering through the market recently I noticed that
the diy stall is selling machetes for a fiver. I'm not sure how long
it was but it must have been at least 8 inches blade. Seeing the
usefulness to clear green lanes I went to buy it, but the SWMBO said
it would be illegal to carry it on board. I already have secateurs,
saws, chainsaws and a huge axe on board for the same purpose
(clearing back shrubbery) amongst a full toolkit including normal
knifes, hammers, etc. All of these are fairly lethal, so can I add
the machete to the collection without fear of hassle from the
authorities should I be searched for any reason?

Reply


I was browsing this the other day as my brush clearer was
questioned by a friend:


One of the guys I dive with is a policeman and, jokingly, he once
remarked as we were kitting up that if he saw somebody with a
knife like the one he was strapping to his leg he'd nick them and
leave them to prove it wasn't illegal...

...but if we get trapped in netting underwater, a big problem in
wrecks, we need something pretty unsubtle as we have limited time
to solve the problem.


Reply

The law is too often an ass. If you can find a genuinely good
lawyer, as opposed to one who merely seems good from the
perspective of one who knows nothing at all, you probably cant
afford him/her. After over 30 years of being a 100% successful
Mackenziman (Non professional attorney with some 36 consecutive
court victories, including a case of offensive weapons), I've
learned that policeman, even the ones who do have integrity, rank
somewhere close to the very bottom of legal expertise amongst legal
professionals . They rely on the instantly capitulating ignorance
of their 'victims' for success, whistle having a low rate of
success against cognisant defence.

A silly case recently was a besuited city type being stopped,
harassed and then officially cautioned for carrying a cricket ball.
Never accept a caution, unless of course you're guilty. There are a
number of items that are offensive weapons per se, such as hand
guns and knives with blades over three inches, lock blades and any
item specifically proscribed by law.


My reply/question

Having watched several of the recent spate of Police Camera Action
type documentaries I looked up - what I thought to be the legislation
regarding knives. I can only assume I totally misread regarding
locking blade knives - I invariably have a sub3 inch blade Sandvik
knife with locking blade in my pocket. Does this mean that because I
carry this - which I use for gardening, stripping wire digging debris
from the soles of my shoes/boots etc etc - that I am breaking the law?
It was also used quite recently to dig out and release a small
terrier - not mine - that had trapped itself in a rabbit warren
whilst out walking the dogs.

PhilC



i carry a knife regulary with an 8 inch blade within my tool kit
as long as it is used as a tool then thier is very little chance of
prosecution and even less chance of conviction



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Old December 15th 06, 09:25 PM posted to uk.legal.moderated
Periander
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Default Knives etc legalities

"PhilC" wrote in
:

I have lifted this from another newsgroup alt.fan.landrover and have
edited it but hope you will get the idea..........

Hi all. While wandering through the market recently I noticed that
the diy stall is selling machetes for a fiver. I'm not sure how long
it was but it must have been at least 8 inches blade. Seeing the
usefulness to clear green lanes I went to buy it, but the SWMBO said
it would be illegal to carry it on board. I already have secateurs,
saws, chainsaws and a huge axe on board for the same purpose (clearing
back shrubbery) amongst a full toolkit including normal knifes,
hammers, etc. All of these are fairly lethal, so can I add the
machete to the collection without fear of hassle from the authorities
should I be searched for any reason?


perfectly leal for you to have it in your possesion for the use you
describe it's known as a 'reasonable excuse' in the trade and is a
statutary defence to a charge of (say) ofensive weapon or what's known
as "points and lades".

However if you were to take your land rover out shopping with you or for
a daily commute you wouldn't be so covered - no green lanes between you
and the shops etc.

And FWIW I wouldn't bother with a Machete under 14".


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Regards or otherwise,

Periander

 




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