Hi

Could anyone clue me up about fixed penalties?

Got so frustrated with local authority not emptying the bin and then telling
lies about it that I threatened to tip out the bin on their premises. Then
they missed the bin and lied about it again so I did, in their One Stop Shop

They've sent me a fixed penalty notice (Environmental Protection Act 1990
section 87), but someone told me it can't be valid because there isn't a
notice in the One Stop Shop saying such a thing exists

Any info appreciated

cheers

Jon

In article ews.net,
(Oxymel of Squill) wrote:

They've sent me a fixed penalty notice (Environmental Protection
Act 1990
section 87), but someone told me it can't be valid because there
isn't a
notice in the One Stop Shop saying such a thing exists

It's not valid, for a much simpler reason. You weren't in public when
you did it (private office), and you told them you were going to first.

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Could anyone clue me up about fixed penalties?

Got so frustrated with local authority not emptying the bin and then
telling lies about it that I threatened to tip out the bin on their
premises. Then they missed the bin and lied about it again so I did,
in their One Stop Shop

They've sent me a fixed penalty notice (Environmental Protection Act
1990 section 87), but someone told me it can't be valid because there
isn't a notice in the One Stop Shop saying such a thing exists

Any info appreciated

Try not to be so stupid in future? Pay up now or pay more in future.

Peter Crosland

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:25:13 +0000, Oxymel of Squill wrote:

Hi

Could anyone clue me up about fixed penalties?

Got so frustrated with local authority not emptying the bin and then telling
lies about it that I threatened to tip out the bin on their premises. Then
they missed the bin and lied about it again so I did, in their One Stop Shop

They've sent me a fixed penalty notice (Environmental Protection Act 1990
section 87), but someone told me it can't be valid because there isn't a
notice in the One Stop Shop saying such a thing exists

Any info appreciated

Obviously your next step should be to take your muckspreader and spray the
council offices with cow dung.

Peter Crosland wrote:

Could anyone clue me up about fixed penalties?

Got so frustrated with local authority not emptying the bin and then
telling lies about it that I threatened to tip out the bin on their
premises. Then they missed the bin and lied about it again so I did,
in their One Stop Shop

They've sent me a fixed penalty notice (Environmental Protection Act
1990 section 87), but someone told me it can't be valid because there
isn't a notice in the One Stop Shop saying such a thing exists

Any info appreciated

Try not to be so stupid in future? Pay up now or pay more in future.

Peter Crosland

Read it again... The LBA were not doing their jobs by the OP's claim. The OP
is frustrated. For better of worse, he wishes to make a point. Good for
him - not everyone wishes to bend over and take it like a b**ch from the
local authorities. Perhaps if a few more people made a point, this country
would straighten out a little.

;-O

Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:35:04
uk.legal.moderated Steve Firth

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:25:13 +0000, Oxymel of Squill wrote:

Hi

Could anyone clue me up about fixed penalties?

Got so frustrated with local authority not emptying the bin and then telling
lies about it that I threatened to tip out the bin on their premises. Then
they missed the bin and lied about it again so I did, in their One Stop Shop

They've sent me a fixed penalty notice (Environmental Protection Act 1990
section 87), but someone told me it can't be valid because there isn't a
notice in the One Stop Shop saying such a thing exists

Any info appreciated

Obviously your next step should be to take your muckspreader and spray the
council offices with cow dung.

The thing that puzzles me is what the OP did with the rubbish after the
LA stopped collecting it and before they dumped it at the "One Stop
Shop".

Are we talking about a remote location at the end of a lane? If that is
the case I think this has come up in this group before and the OP should
refer to responses offered at the time.

I am not suggesting the OP is the same person that posted about a very
similar issue here before, of course.

Personally I think dumping your rubbish in an office is offensive and
should be penalised.

--
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:25:13 +0000, "Oxymel of Squill"
wrote:

Hi

Could anyone clue me up about fixed penalties?

Got so frustrated with local authority not emptying the bin and then telling
lies about it that I threatened to tip out the bin on their premises. Then
they missed the bin and lied about it again so I did, in their One Stop Shop

They've sent me a fixed penalty notice (Environmental Protection Act 1990
section 87), but someone told me it can't be valid because there isn't a
notice in the One Stop Shop saying such a thing exists

I know the frustration. I rang the head of the cleansing department
and offered with utter reasonableness to drop the overflowing bin off
in his office at a time convenient to him if he couldn't arrange to
have it emptied. He sent a bin lorry out the same afternoon.
--
May Merry

Personally I think dumping your rubbish in an office is offensive and
should be penalised.

no I'm not the same chap who asked before and I agree it's offensive. (but
then as J S Mill says, there cannot be a Right Not To Be Offended). I was
told on 4 occasions before taking this action that the bin would be emptied
"today" (it was already a month old as I had been abroad for the previous
collection). I told the call centre woman on Monday what would happen on
Tuesday if it wasn't emptied and she said that wouldn't be a problem as it
would definitely be emptied "today". I also made a point of apologising to
the staff in the OSS for their inconvenience before tipping out the bag
(which was only a token part of the full bin).
Obviously the odd bin is going to get missed, but the council should have an
efficient means of rectifying matters. When they missed it the second time I
returned to the OSS and complained again. I was told that there had been a
traffic jam in my road that morning (there hadn't) and the collectors had
left all the bins with the intention of returning later. (The woman in
charge also made rude remarks about me to the counter assistant without
realising the phone had been left on loudspeaker :-) ). When I walked home
I lifted the lids of all the bins either side of mine and found them all
empty except mine, presumably my stupid neighbours leave out empty bins to
be emptied. Mine was emptied some hours later. I think a council should
apologise for errors and put them right. My council's practice is to tell
any old lie just to shut you up and get rid of you. As well as this fixed
penalty I've also had a letter from said woman in charge accusing me of
being abusive, something I have taken pains to avoid, without any detail or
substance. I have asked her to detail these instances and said I will raise
a formal complaint if she can't. I regard these letters as officious
bullying to shut me up so they can carry on being inefficient and not
improve anything.

On Jan 25, 11:45 am, "Oxymel of Squill" wrote:
Personally I think dumping your rubbish in an office is offensive and
should be penalised.no I'm not the same chap who asked before and I agree it's offensive. (but
then as J S Mill says, there cannot be a Right Not To Be Offended).

J S Mill probably wrote books rather than took part in direct action.
If you really want to demonstrate why don't you go to a council meeting
and do so.

But if you are going to do something offensive then it seems to me that
you at least should be prepared to be penalised for so doing.

After all - you have been offended by that - and I will quote J S Mill
back at you.

Nick

On Jan 25, 1:00 am, May Merry wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:25:13 +0000, "Oxymel of Squill"

wrote:
Hi

Could anyone clue me up about fixed penalties?

Got so frustrated with local authority not emptying the bin and then telling
lies about it that I threatened to tip out the bin on their premises. Then
they missed the bin and lied about it again so I did, in their One Stop Shop

They've sent me a fixed penalty notice (Environmental Protection Act 1990
section 87), but someone told me it can't be valid because there isn't a
notice in the One Stop Shop saying such a thing existsI know the frustration. I rang the head of the cleansing department
and offered with utter reasonableness to drop the overflowing bin off
in his office at a time convenient to him if he couldn't arrange to
have it emptied. He sent a bin lorry out the same afternoon.

In fact, some years ago I complained to the Local Govt Ombudsman about
some less simple matter regarding collection of rubbish from our block
of flats - the operatives or whoever were refusing to come down our
steep side slope.

I was awarded £100 by the Ombudsman which I initially refused to
accept (I gave it to the Management Company of which I was a Director).

The Council paid me compensation without rectifying the situation.

In our case, the refuse was out-sourced so that it seemed that whatever
the Council required they couldn't enforce on the private company - I
think badly worded management agreements.

Previously it would no doubt have been powerful unions - if the staff
didn't wish to do it there would be little that mgt could do.

Nick