On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:45:07 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

In message
, at
09:55:09 on Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Neil Williams
remarked:
Perhaps this has been because of the practical difficulties of
preventing passengers from absconding from their journeys without
proper leave :-).

This practicality aspect means that Break of Journey restrictions are
practically never enforced, IMX.

If you need to go through a barrier to restart your journey it's likely
that a ticket would be rejected (happened to me) and you have to explain
what's going on to a sceptical gripper.

I was hearing on the radio recently that for some trips it was actually
significantly cheaper to buy two tickets and have an artificial journey
break anyway...

In message , at 19:30:07
on Fri, 25 Jul 2008, PCPaul remarked:
If you need to go through a barrier to restart your journey it's likely
that a ticket would be rejected (happened to me) and you have to explain
what's going on to a sceptical gripper.

I was hearing on the radio recently that for some trips it was actually
significantly cheaper to buy two tickets and have an artificial journey
break anyway...

Yes, it can be a lot cheaper. But with the restriction that the train
has to stop at the intermediate station.

One wrinkle that isn't discussed as much as simple fare-splitting, is
using a combination of peak and off-peak tickets if the journey time
crosses one of the watersheds. I was looking up a trip to Manchester
recently, and by splitting the ticket halfway it would be possible to do
the second half of the trip on an off-peak fare, although starting off
during the morning peak period (for the first half) is unavoidable in
this case.
--
Roland Perry

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:45:07 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
, at
09:55:09 on Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Neil Williams
remarked:

This practicality aspect means that Break of Journey restrictions are
practically never enforced, IMX.

If you need to go through a barrier to restart your journey it's likely
that a ticket would be rejected (happened to me) and you have to explain
what's going on to a sceptical gripper.

If it's a station where you might be changing trains you are unlikely
to have a problem, you could have quite legitimately have left the
platform to buy a paper etc. while you were waiting.

On 25 Jul, 19:30, PCPaul wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:45:07 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
09:55:09 on Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Neil Williams
remarked:
Perhaps this has been because of the practical difficulties of
preventing passengers from absconding from their journeys without
proper leave :-).

This practicality aspect means that Break of Journey restrictions are
practically never enforced, IMX.

If you need to go through a barrier to restart your journey it's likely
that a ticket would be rejected (happened to me) and you have to explain
what's going on to a sceptical gripper.

I was hearing on the radio recently that for some trips it was actually
significantly cheaper to buy two tickets and have an artificial journey
break anyway...

Once wanted to travel from Derby to Oxford and found it was cheaper to
buy tickets from Derby to Birmingham, Birmingham to Coventry, Coventry
to Banbury and Banbury to Oxford. This was because they were all
'local' trips.

OTOH, once wanted to go from Newcastle to Leeds and found it much
cheaper (about 1/3rd cost) to get a ticket Newcastle to Derby for the
same train. Didn't actually get it though as I couldn't remember
whether Leeds was an 'open' station or not and there was no 'break in
journey' so didn't want to explain at the Leeds barrier why I was
leaving!

BobC

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:45:07 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message
, at
09:55:09 on Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Neil Williams
remarked:

This practicality aspect means that Break of Journey restrictions are
practically never enforced, IMX.

If you need to go through a barrier to restart your journey it's likely
that a ticket would be rejected (happened to me) and you have to explain
what's going on to a sceptical gripper.

If it's a station where you might be changing trains you are unlikely
to have a problem, you could have quite legitimately have left the
platform to buy a paper etc. while you were waiting.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the railways have one
department set up to devise good deals for travellers, and another set
up to find ways of preventing travellers from taking advantage of the
good deals. If so, why?
--
Ian

In message , at 00:05:05 on
Sat, 26 Jul 2008, remarked:
If you need to go through a barrier to restart your journey it's likely
that a ticket would be rejected (happened to me) and you have to explain
what's going on to a sceptical gripper.

If it's a station where you might be changing trains you are unlikely
to have a problem, you could have quite legitimately have left the
platform to buy a paper etc. while you were waiting.

Which is what the conversation with the "sceptical gripper" is all
about. He may not have seen you get off a train earlier, and the paper
shop might be inside the barriers [1]. It all depends on the
circumstances.

My ticket *was* valid for break of journey [2], but I'm pretty sure that
someone with a ticket not valid for break of journey would have been
refused.

[1] Which it was, at the station I was talking about. Outside the
barriers it's a wasteland with nothing useful that you might be
visiting.

[2] And I was starting long, which is probably allowed.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 10:35:06 on Sat, 26
Jul 2008, Ian Jackson remarked:
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the railways have one
department set up to devise good deals for travellers, and another set
up to find ways of preventing travellers from taking advantage of the
good deals. If so, why?

Because they want to extract "what the market will stand" from their
regular travellers, while filling up seats off-peak with cheap tickets
that have a range of restrictions. Those restrictions are designed to
stop the regular travellers from using them as a loophole, and therefore
abstracting revenue from the company.

You have to make your mind up what sort of benefits you want, and pick
the ticket with the right balance between price and restriction.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message
, at
09:55:09 on Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Neil Williams remarked:
Perhaps this has been because of the practical difficulties of
preventing passengers from absconding from their journeys without
proper leave :-).

This practicality aspect means that Break of Journey restrictions are
practically never enforced, IMX.

If you need to go through a barrier to restart your journey it's likely
that a ticket would be rejected (happened to me) and you have to explain
what's going on to a sceptical gripper.
They're normally OK with it, though. I've been waved through the barriers
at Reading on several occasions when I've beein using an outbound SVR, ater
having left the platform to buy something from the M&S shop. They didn't
even ask any questions.