Bystander wrote:

I humbly and respectfully note your rebuke. I shall waste no time in
acting upon it.

He's not the only one who is disappointed. The remedy recommended
earlier by The Todal was that the person giving offence should offer a
grovelling apology to the person they had offended in order to retain
posting priveliges. I'd expect this policy to be applied even handedly.

I'm even more disappointed that subsequent to the initial insult that
you should repeat the behaviour in Message-ID:
which is simply having
three bites more at the same cherry. Please do the decent thing,
apologise (i.e. live up to the standards that the rest of us have to
agree to) and make an end to it.

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 18:50:05 on
Wed, 20 Aug 2008, greg remarked:
I understand that you don't want to wheel the bin through the house as
you live in a terrace - understandable.

A terrace with no front garden perhaps (although some terraces near me
with small front gardens look somewhat overwhelmed now the council wants
everyone to have three - soon maybe four - bins).

Have you asked the council for their advise - where do they say you
should keep it?

Some councils allow the use of black plastic bags in those circumstances.
--
Roland Perry


Amazing - we all coped with the old dustbins. They weren't left on the
street. Unfortunately all it takes is one person to get away with leaving
the bin on the front and other lazy neighbours will follow. There are many
examples of downward spirals ruining a community. (eg - white van parked
partly on pavement)

John wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 18:50:05 on
Wed, 20 Aug 2008, greg remarked:
I understand that you don't want to wheel the bin through the house as
you live in a terrace - understandable.
A terrace with no front garden perhaps (although some terraces near me
with small front gardens look somewhat overwhelmed now the council wants
everyone to have three - soon maybe four - bins).

Have you asked the council for their advise - where do they say you
should keep it?
Some councils allow the use of black plastic bags in those circumstances.
--
Roland Perry


Amazing - we all coped with the old dustbins. They weren't left on the
street.

Ah yes, back in the good old days when everyone lived in a shoebox by
the side of the road. Mind you, there was only hot gravel to eat, so
there wasn't quite as much packaging to dispose of.

John coughed up some electrons that declared:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 18:50:05 on
Wed, 20 Aug 2008, greg remarked:
I understand that you don't want to wheel the bin through the house as
you live in a terrace - understandable.

A terrace with no front garden perhaps (although some terraces near me
with small front gardens look somewhat overwhelmed now the council wants
everyone to have three - soon maybe four - bins).

Have you asked the council for their advise - where do they say you
should keep it?

Some councils allow the use of black plastic bags in those circumstances.
--
Roland Perry


Amazing - we all coped with the old dustbins. They weren't left on the
street.

Where I come from, the dustbins lived by the house (side or front) and the
dustmen collected and returned them (mostly). Partly this is a factor of
the council trying to shift some of the donkey work onto the householder.

Unfortunately all it takes is one person to get away with leaving
the bin on the front and other lazy neighbours will follow.

I dispute the lazy claim in all cases. A lot more people have family's where
both adults work full time out of necessity, and in some instances one of
the partners works silly hours while the other juggles a job and kids.

Dustbin-moving becomes another chore in an already overloaded life. It may
seem a small piffling thing, but it's not the only small piffling annoyance
that seems to have crept into modern life. It's also a major headache if
you are away from home on the day of collection. What do you do? Impose on
the neighbours? Leave it out?

Given wheelie bins make it safer for dustmen to move the bin (comapred to
carrying it on their back like they used to), it would be better IMHO if
the council paid the contractors to collect from any reasonably accessible
place on the property. Then the whole issue would go away in mot cases.

There are many
examples of downward spirals ruining a community. (eg - white van parked
partly on pavement)

I don't disagree with your sentiment, but I think it equally applies to the
service providers!

Cheers

Tim

On 21 Aug, 15:10, "John" wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message

...



In message , at 18:50:05 on
Wed, 20 Aug 2008, greg remarked:
I understand that you don't want to wheel the bin through the house as
you live in a terrace - understandable.

A terrace with no front garden perhaps (although some terraces near me
with small front gardens look somewhat overwhelmed now the council wants
everyone to have three - soon maybe four - bins).

Have you asked the council for their advise - where do they say you
should keep it?

Some councils allow the use of black plastic bags in those circumstances.
--
Roland Perry

Amazing - we all coped with the old dustbins. They weren't left on the
street. Unfortunately all it takes is one person to get away with leaving
the bin on the front and other lazy neighbours will follow. There are many
examples of downward spirals ruining a community. (eg - white van parked
partly on pavement)

We coped easier with the old dustbins because they were usually
collected from where the householder wanted to put them (e.g. back
alleyway), whereas nowadays to save time=money (though they'll claim
it's for H&S) the Council insist that rubbish be put on the front
curtilege. Having 3 or more bins in some places for different kinds of
rubbish doesn't make life any easier.

The Environmental Protection Acts allow Councils to make local rules.
E.g. Section 46 of the 1990 Act, especially (4), allows them to say
where bins can/shall be put: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1990...#pt2-pb5-l1g46
There are much more recent Acts which no doubt Google will find. I
expect they cover things like the the cruel and inhuman requirement to
get up before 7am since you mustn't leave the bin out overnight and
the various rules about the lid having to be completely shut and the
bin not more than 5 degrees out of alignment with the kerb that make
news stories in the silly season.

Chris

In message , at 14:10:11 on Thu, 21
Aug 2008, John remarked:
A terrace with no front garden perhaps (although some terraces near me
with small front gardens look somewhat overwhelmed now the council wants
everyone to have three - soon maybe four - bins).

Have you asked the council for their advise - where do they say you
should keep it?

Some councils allow the use of black plastic bags in those circumstances.

Amazing - we all coped with the old dustbins. They weren't left on the
street.

Did you have to carry the bin through the house (onto the pavement) once
a week on the day it was going to be emptied?
--
Roland Perry

Albert wrote:
Neighbour (busybody) has threatened to report me for leaving my wheelie
bin on the street.
I note that various people round the country have had fixed fines.

What legislation allows this - is it just a general all purpose 'no
obstruction' law or one specifically for bins?

If obstruction, would I be able to argue my point with "I keep it next
to a dirty great tree in the middle of the pavement - to be obstructed
by my bin, you would have to walk through the tree".




(Bin kept where it is to annoy said nosy neighbour above - row of
terraced houses, always put away for 3 years, complaint received after
left out once! Now I leave it out on purpose!)

UPDATE

I have just gained a get out of jail free card for this matter.

The council department concerned DID NOT send out the letter concerned,
a relation of my neighbour cooked it up (he works for environmental
health) on council paper. The correct department 'has no interest in
enforcing bin policies except in extreme nuisance situations'
"The individual will be disciplined"

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:40:08 +0100, Albert wrote:

UPDATE

I have just gained a get out of jail free card for this matter.

The council department concerned DID NOT send out the letter concerned,
a relation of my neighbour cooked it up (he works for environmental
health) on council paper. The correct department 'has no interest in
enforcing bin policies except in extreme nuisance situations' "The
individual will be disciplined"

Ouch. Some poor judgement going on there, methinks...