On Aug 30, 10:10*am, "H" wrote:
"Steve Walker" wrote in message

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H wrote:
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Who would pay for insitutional care for the child? *Would it be the
council?

Given the families circumstances - who else would have a
responsibility?

Possibly the NHS, depending upon the diagnosis.

What sort of diagnosis would involve the NHS in having a responsibility to
pay for his care?

where the care provided is "primarily" for health then its the
responsibility of the Primary Care Trust and where the care provided
is primarily "social" it is the responsibility of SSD. Where there is
a mixture they share responsibility.

in terms of the service user social care is means tested and NHS care
from the PCT is free.

The initial assessment can be carried out by SSD and then they decide
who is responsible for what.

smithy

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On Aug 30, 10:10 am, "H" wrote:
"Steve Walker" wrote in message

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H wrote:
"mert1639" wrote in message
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Who would pay for insitutional care for the child? Would it be the
council?

Given the families circumstances - who else would have a
responsibility?

Possibly the NHS, depending upon the diagnosis.

What sort of diagnosis would involve the NHS in having a responsibility to
pay for his care?

where the care provided is "primarily" for health then its the
responsibility of the Primary Care Trust and where the care provided
is primarily "social" it is the responsibility of SSD. Where there is
a mixture they share responsibility.

in terms of the service user social care is means tested and NHS care
from the PCT is free.

The initial assessment can be carried out by SSD and then they decide
who is responsible for what.

smithy

That's what I understood. The problems of those fighting to obtain NHS
funding for relatives with Alzheimer's generally have this problem. I had
not considered the needs of those having a diagnosis of Autism in this
light. However, if I remember correctly, medical care is defined as that
requiring (at least) the services of a nurse. Help with dressing, feeding,
guidance etc is considered social care. Thus, if I am right, for the
majority of Autistic individuals my understanding is that the 'care needs'
would almost always be assessed as 'social' rather than 'medical'.

Or am I wrong?

H.

On Aug 31, 11:20*pm, "H" wrote:
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On Aug 30, 10:10 am, "H" wrote:





"Steve Walker" wrote in message

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H wrote:
"mert1639" wrote in message
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Who would pay for insitutional care for the child? Would it be the
council?

Given the families circumstances - who else would have a
responsibility?

Possibly the NHS, depending upon the diagnosis.

What sort of diagnosis would involve the NHS in having a responsibility to
pay for his care?

where the care provided is "primarily" for health then its the
responsibility of the Primary Care Trust and where the care provided
is primarily "social" it is the responsibility of SSD. Where there is
a mixture they share responsibility.

in terms of the service user social care is means tested and NHS care
from the PCT is free.

The initial assessment can be carried out by SSD and then they decide
who is responsible for what.

smithy

That's what I understood. The problems of those fighting to obtain NHS
funding for relatives with Alzheimer's generally have this problem. I had
not considered the needs of those having a diagnosis of Autism in this
light. However, if I remember correctly, medical care is defined as that
requiring (at least) the services of a nurse. Help with dressing, feeding,
guidance etc is considered social care. Thus, if I am right, for the
majority of Autistic individuals my understanding is that the 'care needs'
would almost always be assessed as 'social' rather than 'medical'.

Or am I wrong?

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each case is assessed on its merits, but its down to proving that its
a "medical" need which is straight forward with physical disabilities
and a nightmare with mental or learning disabilities.


i guess the first port of call would be the family GP and get a
concrete diagnosis of Autism and the relevant referrals to
specialists. Then from there if an NHS specialist recommends attending
some sort of occupational therapy / group then you have grounds for
NHS funding. Bearing in mind that your LA community mental health team
will include NHS Staff.

THere will be a named person in your local PCT who assesses what is
needed and what is approved for funding. But they will need evidence
of need from a specialist / consultant.

If as you say this lad already has a social worker then there should
be a "care plan". It would be worth finding out which of the SSD
departments is dealing with the case.

smithy

I've found a specialist who could make a report - and will do it for free!
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On Aug 31, 11:20 pm, "H" wrote:
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On Aug 30, 10:10 am, "H" wrote:





"Steve Walker" wrote in message

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H wrote:
"mert1639" wrote in message
...

Who would pay for insitutional care for the child? Would it be the
council?

Given the families circumstances - who else would have a
responsibility?

Possibly the NHS, depending upon the diagnosis.

What sort of diagnosis would involve the NHS in having a responsibility
to
pay for his care?

where the care provided is "primarily" for health then its the
responsibility of the Primary Care Trust and where the care provided
is primarily "social" it is the responsibility of SSD. Where there is
a mixture they share responsibility.

in terms of the service user social care is means tested and NHS care
from the PCT is free.

The initial assessment can be carried out by SSD and then they decide
who is responsible for what.

smithy

That's what I understood. The problems of those fighting to obtain NHS
funding for relatives with Alzheimer's generally have this problem. I had
not considered the needs of those having a diagnosis of Autism in this
light. However, if I remember correctly, medical care is defined as that
requiring (at least) the services of a nurse. Help with dressing, feeding,
guidance etc is considered social care. Thus, if I am right, for the
majority of Autistic individuals my understanding is that the 'care needs'
would almost always be assessed as 'social' rather than 'medical'.

Or am I wrong?

H.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

each case is assessed on its merits, but its down to proving that its
a "medical" need which is straight forward with physical disabilities
and a nightmare with mental or learning disabilities.


i guess the first port of call would be the family GP and get a
concrete diagnosis of Autism and the relevant referrals to
specialists. Then from there if an NHS specialist recommends attending
some sort of occupational therapy / group then you have grounds for
NHS funding. Bearing in mind that your LA community mental health team
will include NHS Staff.

THere will be a named person in your local PCT who assesses what is
needed and what is approved for funding. But they will need evidence
of need from a specialist / consultant.

If as you say this lad already has a social worker then there should
be a "care plan". It would be worth finding out which of the SSD
departments is dealing with the case.

smithy


Thanks for the info. In the meantime, I've found a specialist who's willing
to carry out an assessment and write a report - and just as
important...free!

Thanks for your help Smithy.

H.

H wrote:

Thanks for the info. In the meantime, I've found a specialist who's
willing to carry out an assessment and write a report - and just as
important...free!

And worth every penny... ?

"Steve Walker" wrote in message
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H wrote:

Thanks for the info. In the meantime, I've found a specialist who's
willing to carry out an assessment and write a report - and just as
important...free!

And worth every penny... ?

Clearly - more than!
H.