"Joe Lee" invalid@noaddress wrote in message
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"mert1639" wrote in message
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"Joe Lee" invalid@noaddress wrote in message
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Indeed & in exactly the same way that it's not an offence to carry
someone
else's passport. But it is an offence to produce someone else's, or
simply
fraudulent documents in attempr to show entitlement to drive, cross
boarders or obtain NHS services to which you are not entitled.

We don't know if we was doing that. As I've pointed out it is common for
GPs to treat patients unentitled to NHS at their own expense.

There can be no duty of patient confidentia;lly IMO until the identity
of
the individual can be reasonably proven & that only needs to be done
when
first registering with a GP's practice.

Nonsense. The patient is someone comming for your services, whether they
are a registered patient or not. It is common to treat someone without
being sure of their nationality - what if they are unconscious?

That is a totally different scenario to the one described by the OP.

Anyone found unconscious &/or in need of urgent medical treatment receives
it regardless of what may subsequently prove to be their status or
identity - & long may it remain so.

Just beacuse threatment is provided by a GP doesn't make it any less urgent
than in A&E, depending on the illness.

Don Aitken posted
Anyone turning up at a GP's surgery and asking for treatment as a
temporary patient gets it, too. No question of requiring them to prove
their identity arises.

Really? I'd like to know what your source is for this assertion.

And medical confidentiality applies in both cases.

Confidentiality certainly applies *if* treatment is given.

--
Les

" posted

I have no problem with the link I gave using Firefox and Adobe Reader
on Windows, I don't try to download the document and just let it open
in a browser window.

Why would that make a difference?

--
Les

"Big Les Wade" wrote in message
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Don Aitken posted
Anyone turning up at a GP's surgery and asking for treatment as a
temporary patient gets it, too. No question of requiring them to prove
their identity arises.

Really? I'd like to know what your source is for this assertion.

I have never been asked for any formal documents to register with a GP.
What could they ask for, apart from a birth certifcate? Many places don't
issue NHS cards anymore.

And medical confidentiality applies in both cases.

Confidentiality certainly applies *if* treatment is given.

But treatment is certain to be given beacuse the Doctor has no reason to
refuse.

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:50:15 +0100, "mert1639"
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"Big Les Wade" wrote in message
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Don Aitken posted
Anyone turning up at a GP's surgery and asking for treatment as a
temporary patient gets it, too. No question of requiring them to prove
their identity arises.

Really? I'd like to know what your source is for this assertion.

I have never been asked for any formal documents to register with a GP.
What could they ask for, apart from a birth certifcate? Many places don't
issue NHS cards anymore.

Come to think of it, neither have I. But what I was talking about was
not registering with a GP but getting treatment as a temporary
patient, which is available from any GP in the country to anyone who
is a away from home. GPs love temporary patients, since they get a fee
for each one they see (as against one annual fee for their own
patients, however many times they see them). I have done this a number
of times, and have never been asked for any documents.

--
Don Aitken
Mail to the From: address is not read.
To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com"

"mert1639" wrote in message
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"Big Les Wade" wrote in message
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Don Aitken posted
Anyone turning up at a GP's surgery and asking for treatment as a
temporary patient gets it, too. No question of requiring them to prove
their identity arises.

Really? I'd like to know what your source is for this assertion.

I have never been asked for any formal documents to register with a GP.
What could they ask for, apart from a birth certifcate? Many places don't
issue NHS cards anymore.

And medical confidentiality applies in both cases.

Confidentiality certainly applies *if* treatment is given.

But treatment is certain to be given beacuse the Doctor has no reason to
refuse.

Unless someone were acutely ill they would not receive treatment at our
surgery. As a result of the type of appointments system they use, even
registered patients can find it difficult to get a same-day appointment.

If I became ill whilst away from home (& assuming I was able to travel), I
would attend the nearest Hospital casualty unit rather than seek treatment
at a GP's surgery.

--
Joe Lee

mert1639 said:
"Big Les Wade" wrote in message
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Don Aitken posted
Anyone turning up at a GP's surgery and asking for treatment as a
temporary patient gets it, too. No question of requiring them to
prove their identity arises.

Really? I'd like to know what your source is for this assertion.

I have never been asked for any formal documents to register with a
GP. What could they ask for, apart from a birth certifcate? Many
places don't issue NHS cards anymore.

A friend of mine told me, last week, that her daughter had a lot of
difficullty registering with a local GP because she couldn't find her
National Insurance card. She had a passport and a driving licence but they
weren't good enough.

So doctors DO ask for ID and can be fussy about what they accept.


--
kat
^..^

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:10:08 +0100, "kat"
wrote:


mert1639 said:
"Big Les Wade" wrote in message
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Don Aitken posted
Anyone turning up at a GP's surgery and asking for treatment as a
temporary patient gets it, too. No question of requiring them to
prove their identity arises.

Really? I'd like to know what your source is for this assertion.

I have never been asked for any formal documents to register with a
GP. What could they ask for, apart from a birth certifcate? Many
places don't issue NHS cards anymore.

A friend of mine told me, last week, that her daughter had a lot of
difficullty registering with a local GP because she couldn't find her
National Insurance card. She had a passport and a driving licence but they
weren't good enough.

So doctors DO ask for ID and can be fussy about what they accept.

I didn't know National Insurance cards still existed. I certainly
haven't had one (or indeed seen one) for at least 30 years. No doctor
has ever seen, or asked for, such a thing.

Last time I registered with a doctor I *expected* problems, since it
was at least twenty years since I had last been registered, and my
previous doctor was dead and his practice defunct. In the event, all I
had to do was give my date of birth; nothing else was required.

--
Don Aitken
Mail to the From: address is not read.
To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com"

Don Aitken gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

A friend of mine told me, last week, that her daughter had a lot of
difficullty registering with a local GP because she couldn't find her
National Insurance card. She had a passport and a driving licence but
they weren't good enough.

I didn't know National Insurance cards still existed. I certainly
haven't had one (or indeed seen one) for at least 30 years. No doctor
has ever seen, or asked for, such a thing.

I definitely used to have one (My 16th birthday, AIUI the trigger for the
issue, was in the mid-late 80s) but I've not seen it for _at least_ 10-15
years. Blue and red, IIRC.

In message , at 23:10:08 on Sat, 20
Sep 2008, kat remarked:
A friend of mine told me, last week, that her daughter had a lot of
difficullty registering with a local GP because she couldn't find her
National Insurance card. She had a passport and a driving licence but they
weren't good enough.

So doctors DO ask for ID and can be fussy about what they accept.

Is that because they wanted to be able to trace her medical records?

fwiw, only one person in my family has an "NI Card". The others have
never been issued with one. Or did you mean "NHS card" (postcard-sized
thing with your GP's name address and your NHS number on it).
--
Roland Perry