Roland Perry said:
In message , at 15:00:33 on Sun, 21
Sep 2008, kat remarked:
A friend of mine told me, last week, that her daughter had a lot of
difficullty registering with a local GP because she couldn't find
her National Insurance card.

NI, not NHS.

So few people have one, there has to be something more to this story.

Awkward receptionist? I don't know anything other than my friend told me
that her daughter had this problem because she didn't have the card. The
girl in question is British born with an ordinary name and as I said, she
had her passport. She could provide her address, previous doctor's name
and address, etc, but that wasn't enough.


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kat
^..^

Percy Picacity said:
Roland Perry wrote in
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In message , at 15:00:33 on
Sun, 21 Sep 2008, kat remarked:
A friend of mine told me, last week, that her daughter had a
lot of difficullty registering with a local GP because she
couldn't find her National Insurance card.

NI, not NHS.

So few people have one, there has to be something more to this
story.

The usual explanation for such events is that the prospective patient
looks or sounds foreign, and the clerk concerned feels a mission to
stop such people taking our jobs/women/nhs as appropriate.

LOL, she's white, and has an accent from not far north of London. I expect
that is pretty unusual these days.


--
kat
^..^

Roland Perry said:
In message , at 16:55:03
on Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Percy Picacity remarked:
A friend of mine told me, last week, that her daughter had a
lot of difficullty registering with a local GP because she
couldn't find her National Insurance card.

NI, not NHS.

So few people have one, there has to be something more to this
story.

The usual explanation for such events is that the prospective patient
looks or sounds foreign, and the clerk concerned feels a mission to
stop such people taking our jobs/women/nhs as appropriate.

There are other forms of status that are more properly required when
registering at a GP. Maybe the OP can tell us the nationality of her
"friend" and her daughter, so we can eliminate as many as possible of
the red herrings.

British, and white if it matters. I have known my "friend" for 30 years -
and as it happens I knew her older sister when we were children and attended
a youth thing at the local church at the same time.. The daughter I have
known since birth. She was born in the same town as her mother and father
before her. That's more than I was!


--
kat
^..^

"kat" wrote in message
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Roland Perry said:
In message , at 15:00:33 on Sun, 21
Sep 2008, kat remarked:
A friend of mine told me, last week, that her daughter had a lot of
difficullty registering with a local GP because she couldn't find
her National Insurance card.

NI, not NHS.

So few people have one, there has to be something more to this story.

Awkward receptionist? I don't know anything other than my friend told me
that her daughter had this problem because she didn't have the card.
The
girl in question is British born with an ordinary name and as I said, she
had her passport. She could provide her address, previous doctor's
name
and address, etc, but that wasn't enough.

On the basis of the NHS' own website
(http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles...articleId=1095) it would
appear that the recptionist was incorrect.

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:25:05 +0100, mert1639 wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 16:55:03 on
Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Percy Picacity remarked:
A friend of mine told me, last week, that her daughter had a
lot of difficullty registering with a local GP because she
couldn't find her National Insurance card.

NI, not NHS.

So few people have one, there has to be something more to this
story.

The usual explanation for such events is that the prospective patient
looks or sounds foreign, and the clerk concerned feels a mission to
stop such people taking our jobs/women/nhs as appropriate.

There are other forms of status that are more properly required when
registering at a GP. Maybe the OP can tell us the nationality of her
"friend" and her daughter, so we can eliminate as many as possible of the
red herrings.
I don't think that anything is required.
http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles...articleId=1095
Says that all you need to do is bring along your medical card or fill in
GMS1. Most people these days register by filling in GMS1 as so few NHS
cards are issued. There is no mention of needing ID.

This is normally mentioned in the PCT contracts to GPs.

As to the issue of treating non-EU patients, I have made some enquiries..
Most GPs will simply treat them as patients free of cost.

LOL wut, no way. Who ever told you that was on crack. Especially if the
patient is after treatment for HIV.

In message , at
21:25:05 on Sun, 21 Sep 2008, mert1639
remarked:
There are other forms of status that are more properly required when
registering at a GP. Maybe the OP can tell us the nationality of her
"friend" and her daughter, so we can eliminate as many as possible of the
red herrings.
I don't think that anything is required.
http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles...articleId=1095
Says that all you need to do is bring along your medical card or fill in
GMS1. Most people these days register by filling in GMS1 as so few NHS
cards are issued. There is no mention of needing ID.

A quick search fails to reveal the GMS1 form itself. If it asks
"ID-related" questions, then the rather simplistic advice on the NHS
website could be misleading.

I also know of patients being refused registration unless they can
produce evidence of residence (and by being picky about that, it amounts
to a request for ID).

As to the issue of treating non-EU patients, I have made some enquiries.
Most GPs will simply treat them as patients free of cost. Hospitals will
normaly treat them for whatever they have wrong with them and then considder
whether to chase the bill. If they think the patient can pay they will, if
not they'll probably write it off.

--
Roland Perry

In message , at 21:40:05 on Sun, 21
Sep 2008, kat remarked:
A friend of mine told me, last week, that her daughter had a lot of
difficullty registering with a local GP because she couldn't find
her National Insurance card.

NI, not NHS.

So few people have one, there has to be something more to this story.

Awkward receptionist? I don't know anything other than my friend told me
that her daughter had this problem because she didn't have the card. The
girl in question is British born with an ordinary name and as I said, she
had her passport. She could provide her address, previous doctor's name
and address, etc, but that wasn't enough.

Still sounds to me like a mixup between NI card and NHS card; but if you
insist it isn't, then it's a mystery.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 21:45:07 on Sun, 21
Sep 2008, kat remarked:
Maybe the OP can tell us the nationality of her
"friend" and her daughter, so we can eliminate as many as possible of
the red herrings.

British, and white if it matters. I have known my "friend" for 30 years -
and as it happens I knew her older sister when we were children and attended
a youth thing at the local church at the same time.. The daughter I have
known since birth. She was born in the same town as her mother and father
before her. That's more than I was!

Then the mystery deepens. Although strange things do happen. When I
moved to Nottingham the LEA wanted to see my daughter's passport to
prove she was "entitled" to go to school (she's white and British).
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry said:
In message , at 21:40:05 on Sun, 21
Sep 2008, kat remarked:
A friend of mine told me, last week, that her daughter had a lot
of difficullty registering with a local GP because she couldn't
find her National Insurance card.

NI, not NHS.

So few people have one, there has to be something more to this
story.

Awkward receptionist? I don't know anything other than my friend
told me that her daughter had this problem because she didn't have
the card. The girl in question is British born with an ordinary
name and as I said, she had her passport. She could provide her
address, previous doctor's name and address, etc, but that wasn't
enough.

Still sounds to me like a mixup between NI card and NHS card; but if
you insist it isn't, then it's a mystery.

Well, I only know what the daughter understood she was being asked for, but
the point is, I think, that she was asked to produce something at all, and
that what she did have wasn't good enough. Rightly or wrongly she was
required to prove who she was, in one way or another, while others don't.
It has been said here that you can turn up with nothing and get taken onto a
doctor's list - I said she couldn't.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned, about the original case in this
thread, a far as I can see, is - who was the appointment for? Was it for
someone of the same name as that on the driving licence that was clearly not
that of the person presenting it? Sure he could have been carrying a card
belonging to someone who had his name but a completely different face etc,
and just happened to use it to confirm the name, or he could have been
trying to get treatment as someone else. I would have thought the
receptionist might not wish shed to calle but must tell the doctor.

--
kat
^..^

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at
21:25:05 on Sun, 21 Sep 2008, mert1639
remarked:
There are other forms of status that are more properly required when
registering at a GP. Maybe the OP can tell us the nationality of her
"friend" and her daughter, so we can eliminate as many as possible of
the
red herrings.
I don't think that anything is required.
http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles...articleId=1095
Says that all you need to do is bring along your medical card or fill in
GMS1. Most people these days register by filling in GMS1 as so few NHS
cards are issued. There is no mention of needing ID.

A quick search fails to reveal the GMS1 form itself. If it asks
"ID-related" questions, then the rather simplistic advice on the NHS
website could be misleading.

From memory, it asks for:
Name
Address
DoB
NHS number (if known)
Last GP

It might ask for previous address but I can't remember.

I also know of patients being refused registration unless they can produce
evidence of residence (and by being picky about that, it amounts to a
request for ID).

I really don't know if that is permitted. I wonder what the PCT would say
if they were contacted?