In message , at
09:25:06 on Mon, 22 Sep 2008, mert1639
remarked:
I also know of patients being refused registration unless they can produce
evidence of residence (and by being picky about that, it amounts to a
request for ID).

I really don't know if that is permitted. I wonder what the PCT would say
if they were contacted?

The NHS page quoted earlier admits to the possibility that a GP will
have a 'catchment area' and could refuse a registration on those
grounds. So a confirmed address is certainly within remit.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 08:30:20 on Mon, 22
Sep 2008, kat remarked:
It has been said here that you can turn up with nothing and get taken onto a
doctor's list - I said she couldn't.

To that extent we agree. And I think many people posting here are either
over-optimistic, or haven't tried registering at a GP recently.
--
Roland Perry

"no name" wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:25:05 +0100, mert1639 wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 16:55:03 on
Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Percy Picacity remarked:
A friend of mine told me, last week, that her daughter had a
lot of difficullty registering with a local GP because she
couldn't find her National Insurance card.

NI, not NHS.

So few people have one, there has to be something more to this
story.

The usual explanation for such events is that the prospective patient
looks or sounds foreign, and the clerk concerned feels a mission to
stop such people taking our jobs/women/nhs as appropriate.

There are other forms of status that are more properly required when
registering at a GP. Maybe the OP can tell us the nationality of her
"friend" and her daughter, so we can eliminate as many as possible of the
red herrings.
I don't think that anything is required.
http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles...articleId=1095
Says that all you need to do is bring along your medical card or fill in
GMS1. Most people these days register by filling in GMS1 as so few NHS
cards are issued. There is no mention of needing ID.

This is normally mentioned in the PCT contracts to GPs.
_______________________________________________
Really?

As to the issue of treating non-EU patients, I have made some enquiries.
Most GPs will simply treat them as patients free of cost.

LOL wut, no way. Who ever told you that was on crack. Especially if the
patient is after treatment for HIV.
______________________________________________
It was a GP.

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at
09:25:06 on Mon, 22 Sep 2008, mert1639
remarked:
I also know of patients being refused registration unless they can
produce
evidence of residence (and by being picky about that, it amounts to a
request for ID).

I really don't know if that is permitted. I wonder what the PCT would say
if they were contacted?

The NHS page quoted earlier admits to the possibility that a GP will have
a 'catchment area' and could refuse a registration on those grounds. So a
confirmed address is certainly within remit.
But it doesn't say that one needs to provide proof of address. What
documents could be used for this anyway? A passport doesn't give an address
and the patient may not even have a driving licence or bank account.

In message , at
10:25:11 on Mon, 22 Sep 2008, mert1639
remarked:
The NHS page quoted earlier admits to the possibility that a GP will have
a 'catchment area' and could refuse a registration on those grounds. So a
confirmed address is certainly within remit.
But it doesn't say that one needs to provide proof of address.

If the GP's surgery has a 'catchment area' then of course you have to
provide an address. That NHS page is extremely "lite" and doesn't even
attempt to explain the many edge-conditions involved in registering.

What documents could be used for this anyway? A passport doesn't give
an address and the patient may not even have a driving licence or bank
account.

If you are a resident worker from overseas you'll often have some sort
of "special, not-quite-ID" card from the Home Office. In other edge
cases you'll have to provide some evidence of residence, maybe an
explanation from the householder. And yes, there are many circumstances
(and not just applying for a GP) where a newly arrived person from
abroad is tantamount to a "non person", until they can get some "ID"
documentation put together.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry said:
In message , at
09:25:06 on Mon, 22 Sep 2008, mert1639
remarked:
I also know of patients being refused registration unless they can
produce evidence of residence (and by being picky about that, it
amounts to a request for ID).

I really don't know if that is permitted. I wonder what the PCT
would say if they were contacted?

The NHS page quoted earlier admits to the possibility that a GP will
have a 'catchment area' and could refuse a registration on those
grounds. So a confirmed address is certainly within remit.

My own doctor has one of those - and it changes from time to time. My own
daughter had problems returning there after being away fromhome because of
it. They took her back in the end.


--
kat
^..^

In message , at 17:30:13 on Mon, 22
Sep 2008, remarked:
I think many people posting here are either
over-optimistic, or haven't tried registering at a GP recently.

Most round here won't take you[*] until they've given you a medical, in case
you are a burden on the practice.

[*]About 10 years ago, I don't know if it has changed since.

I've never heard of that, although most GPs will insist you have a
"health check" perhaps because they get a fee for it.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at
21:25:05 on Sun, 21 Sep 2008, mert1639
remarked:
There are other forms of status that are more properly required when
registering at a GP. Maybe the OP can tell us the nationality of her
"friend" and her daughter, so we can eliminate as many as possible of
the
red herrings.
I don't think that anything is required.
http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles...articleId=1095
Says that all you need to do is bring along your medical card or fill in
GMS1. Most people these days register by filling in GMS1 as so few NHS
cards are issued. There is no mention of needing ID.

A quick search fails to reveal the GMS1 form itself.


A number of Universities have put it online, eg;
http://www.uwhc.org.uk/gms1.PDF

snip

--
Joe Lee

In message , at 20:35:05 on
Mon, 22 Sep 2008, Joe Lee remarked:
A number of Universities have put it online, eg;
http://www.uwhc.org.uk/gms1.PDF

Thanks.

Interestingly it asks for NHS number (the item I think has been
conflated with NI Number at some stage).

Also an address, which raises all the issues I mentioned before about
"proof of address" which in turn amounts to much the same as "proof of
ID" in many circumstances.

It also has the gloriously vague "if you are from abroad". What does
this mean?? Is it a backhanded way of asking if you aren't a UK
citizen, or would a returning ex-pat also have to fill in that section?
Including ex-pats born overseas coming to the UK the first time. And the
"first time you came to UK", is that 'to live', or would a trip as a
tourist count. Oh what a tangled web.
--
Roland Perry

On 22 Sep, 02:00, no name wrote:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:25:05 +0100, mert1639 wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 16:55:03 on
Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Percy Picacity remarked:
A friend of mine told me, last week, that her daughter had a
lot of difficullty registering with a local GP because she
couldn't find her National Insurance card.

NI, not NHS.

So few people have one, there has to be something more to this
story.

The usual explanation for such events is that the prospective patient
looks or sounds foreign, and the clerk concerned feels a mission to
stop such people taking our jobs/women/nhs as appropriate.

There are other forms of status that are more properly required when
registering at a GP. Maybe the OP can tell us the nationality of her
"friend" and her daughter, so we can eliminate as many as possible of the
red herrings.
I don't think that anything is required.
http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles...articleId=1095
Says that all you need to do is bring along your medical card or fill in
GMS1. *Most people these days register by filling in GMS1 as so few NHS
cards are issued. *There is no mention of needing ID.

This is normally mentioned in the PCT contracts to GPs.

As to the issue of treating non-EU patients, I have made some enquiries..
Most GPs will simply treat them as patients free of cost.

LOL wut, no way. *Who ever told you that was on crack. *Especially if the
patient is after treatment for HIV.

Yes, that's what happens. We had a visitor from outside the EU who
needed treatment and I thought it would be real hassle.
But no, straight in to see the doc and and out again with the
medication. No charge.
With something more serious it may be different of course.

BobC