"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 20:35:05 on Mon,
22 Sep 2008, Joe Lee remarked:
A number of Universities have put it online, eg;
http://www.uwhc.org.uk/gms1.PDF

Thanks.

Interestingly it asks for NHS number (the item I think has been conflated
with NI Number at some stage).

Also an address, which raises all the issues I mentioned before about
"proof of address" which in turn amounts to much the same as "proof of ID"
in many circumstances.

But nowhere is it stated that a PoA is required. Short of calling up a PCT,
which someone could do, I don't see how we'll resolve this.
I think we've both got ancedotal evidence to support either argument, but
nothing from any authority.

On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:00:13 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 20:35:05 on
Mon, 22 Sep 2008, Joe Lee remarked:
A number of Universities have put it online, eg;
http://www.uwhc.org.uk/gms1.PDF

Thanks.

Interestingly it asks for NHS number (the item I think has been
conflated with NI Number at some stage).

Also an address, which raises all the issues I mentioned before about
"proof of address" which in turn amounts to much the same as "proof of
ID" in many circumstances.

It also has the gloriously vague "if you are from abroad". What does
this mean?? Is it a backhanded way of asking if you aren't a UK
citizen, or would a returning ex-pat also have to fill in that section?
Including ex-pats born overseas coming to the UK the first time. And the
"first time you came to UK", is that 'to live', or would a trip as a
tourist count. Oh what a tangled web.

The point at issue is whether you are registered with another GP, to
avoid paying two capitation fees for the same patient. Many people,
who haven't actually seen a doctor for years, are very vague about
whther they are registered, and if so where. "From abroad" helps to
exclude that possibility.

And being asked for an address strikes me as a very different thing
from being asked for *proof* of address.

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"mert1639" wrote in message
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"Big Les Wade" wrote in message
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Don Aitken posted
Anyone turning up at a GP's surgery and asking for treatment as a
temporary patient gets it, too. No question of requiring them to prove
their identity arises.

Really? I'd like to know what your source is for this assertion.

I have never been asked for any formal documents to register with a GP.
What could they ask for, apart from a birth certifcate? Many places
don't
issue NHS cards anymore.

And medical confidentiality applies in both cases.

Confidentiality certainly applies *if* treatment is given.

But treatment is certain to be given beacuse the Doctor has no reason to
refuse.

Unless someone were acutely ill they would not receive treatment at our
surgery. As a result of the type of appointments system they use, even
registered patients can find it difficult to get a same-day appointment.

That may well be the case, but doesn't alter the fact that a patient is
entitled to ask for treatment as a temporary patient.

If I became ill whilst away from home (& assuming I was able to travel),
I
would attend the nearest Hospital casualty unit rather than seek
treatment
at a GP's surgery.

Well so would I, but what if you had a mild illness that didn't require
hospital treatment?

If the symptoms were such that I believed I might be wasting a Dr's time,
then I'd go to a chemists, ask to speak to the Chemist in person & follow
their recommendation.

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Joe Lee

In message , at
21:40:10 on Mon, 22 Sep 2008, mert1639
remarked:
Also an address, which raises all the issues I mentioned before about
"proof of address" which in turn amounts to much the same as "proof of ID"
in many circumstances.

But nowhere is it stated that a PoA is required. Short of calling up a PCT,
which someone could do, I don't see how we'll resolve this.
I think we've both got ancedotal evidence to support either argument, but
nothing from any authority.

In this modern world we live in, I'd be astonished if a GP didn't ask
for some sort of proof of address, especially for someone who was
clearly "not already a local" - I have rarely met a GP who was actually
looking for more patients.
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Roland Perry

In message , at 22:35:05 on
Mon, 22 Sep 2008, Don Aitken remarked:
It also has the gloriously vague "if you are from abroad". What does
this mean?? Is it a backhanded way of asking if you aren't a UK
citizen, or would a returning ex-pat also have to fill in that section?
Including ex-pats born overseas coming to the UK the first time. And the
"first time you came to UK", is that 'to live', or would a trip as a
tourist count. Oh what a tangled web.

The point at issue is whether you are registered with another GP, to
avoid paying two capitation fees for the same patient. Many people,
who haven't actually seen a doctor for years, are very vague about
whther they are registered, and if so where. "From abroad" helps to
exclude that possibility.

So that's a "yes" for returning ex-pats, I suppose.

And the answer to "when you first came to the UK", if born here - DoB I
suppose. I'm not sure I could find out what my address was that long
ago, though.

And being asked for an address strikes me as a very different thing
from being asked for *proof* of address.

One implies the other - unless GPs are a last bastion of
trust-the-applicant.
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Roland Perry